[Discussion] Health (Mental et. al.) and the 45th President's Administration

This thread is to discuss how the 45th president's administration has directly affected your health, and how it might in the future. The ACA is very likely to be repealed, and news around the presidency is very upsetting to many people. Please keep it civil, but realize that there may be passionate discussion and it may not be pretty.

I tend to lurk, but I also wanted to say that I have some worries about the next few years. For some background I have a number of pre-existing conditions, and a tendency to get kidney stones, AND a weakened immune system, luckily under the ACA I have healthcare through my father's insurance. For the next year or so, I should be ok, coverage wise because I think that it would (hopefully) take at least a year or so to dismantle it, but then I'm screwed.

I'm in college, I am currently in the upper middle class and my am probably able to get my degree with minimal debt due to my two surviving grandparents both having a large fund for me to pay for classes. However, I am not very mobile, I still don't have a driver's license and while I will probably have a head's up on getting a job relevant to my degree due to family connections, I still face the entirely too probable chance of medical treatment quickly getting too expensive (one treatment alone costs 20,000 and we can only afford it because of insurance, once that's gone my arthritis will probably make me nearly immobile again). I also have to take a slew of different medications daily (about 10 or so) just so I can function.

While it will take me about 2-3 years to get my degree, unless I can get a job lined up before then, I will risk debilitating health until I can get a job and my parents are in such a position I can live in the house, I don't have to worry about being kicked out on the curb (but even that is a little optimistic right now, also the worry is not my parents kicking me out, but the bank doing something stupid with the house) I am not looking forward to what awaits when the ACA is deconstructed. Whatever comes I am sure I would be put in the most expensive, least covered bracket and while my illnesses are covered at the moment, I stand to literally lose everything in a few years with the ACA gone before I find a job, which I see as the most likely outcome.

I spent over half of my life getting my health somewhat under control, to where I can function, and now it seems that it will just collapse in a matter of years. F**k.

Well, I can see there are a lot of us who don't remember the Viet Nam years and what came after. We lost, what, 50,000 soldiers in Viet Nam? We had just passed the Great Society changes, and the guys in the white hoods were changing over to the Democratic party, and still very active. The draft meant any young man could end up rotting in the jungle (unless, like many of our leaders today, he had enough pull to get a deferment, or a cushy ANG slot where he didn't even have to show up). Our inner cities were burning, with riots killing hundreds each year in major cities. Major political figures were being assassinated, and various literal political terrorist groups were holding shoot-outs with the police and blowing up various places. Air pollution was unchecked, water pollution was unchecked, and entire towns were evacuated as mines under them caught fire, or toxic dumping overwhelmed their groundwater and killed kids until the citizens made enough noise. The Soviets were presented as able to kill us on 40 minutes notice. The FBI and Army Intel Agency ran illegal covert operations against US citizens, resulting in destroyed careers, mental illnesses and deaths. The conservatives swept into power with a president who was the Republican "dirty tricks" guy, and who manipulated the FBI and the CIA into spying on and discrediting his perceived enemies, and when he was discovered, not only did he fire the Attorney General to try to stop the investigation, but he asked his staff to look into assassinating certain journalists involved in it. The economy of the country, which people thought should be booming due to the war, trundled along impotently mired in "stagflation".

We got through that, and came out the other side better than we went in. There's no reason we can't see a similar result. The period lasted about, oh, say 9 years - 1965 to 1974 - but at the end, we were better off in most ways than when we entered into it.

Right now, we don't know what we're looking at. There are too many players on the board to predict. But very few of them really want to tear stuff down, and most of them are frightened by that prospect no matter how "radical" they may have seemed in the past. This means that while bad stuff *is* coming, it's most likely not going to be the disaster scenarios a lot of people are fixated on. It'll be, oh, somewhat worse than Bush II, when it all shakes out, maybe as bad as Nixon, but little of it will be irreversible. And the charge that it will give to reformers and to real conservatives and progressives will be immense.

Don't freak out. You don't have to love this country. If this is your time to pull your family in around you, do it. But don't give up. This is not the end of the world. This is just the end of an era of stability, and that's scary, but it's by no means fatal. History shows that we're pretty resilient.

The major difference was that those things were hidden, and they were enormous scandals when they reached public awareness.

Now, all that sh*t's mainstream. Nobody is surprised, and, critically, nobody even changes their votes based on any of that.

Also, as you said, tens of thousands of soldiers didn't get through it. The victims of AIDS in the 80s didn't get through it. Millions of Vietnamese didn't get through it.

There's also the environmental problem of "we really don't have much time left to fix this"... like, literally past the point of no return (at least not in human terms). And with our new administration coming in in a month, I don't expect us to officially make any headway on slowing down, especially not with an oil CEO sitting in the cabinet along with the EPA being led by someone who thinks the EPA needs not to exist.

In a thread about people barely hanging on and coping with anxiety, I'm not sure pointing out all the potential disasters is productive. We have a lot of threads for discussing that.

Demyx wrote:

In a thread about people barely hanging on and coping with anxiety, I'm not sure pointing out all the potential disasters is productive. We have a lot of threads for discussing that.

Yeah, sorry, was mostly in response to the idea that we survived W and Nixon, we'll be ok eventually here too. It's getting harder and harder to believe that we'll be ok by the time this is over with Trump. The usual thought of "it'll all work out in the end" isn't really working for me anymore, as I'm thinking the end may be closer than we'd like to think and we seem to be diving face first into it now and just ahhhhhhhhh.

Demosthenes wrote:
Demyx wrote:

In a thread about people barely hanging on and coping with anxiety, I'm not sure pointing out all the potential disasters is productive. We have a lot of threads for discussing that.

Yeah, sorry, was mostly in response to the idea that we survived W and Nixon, we'll be ok eventually here too. It's getting harder and harder to believe that we'll be ok by the time this is over with Trump. The usual thought of "it'll all work out in the end" isn't really working for me anymore, as I'm thinking the end may be closer than we'd like to think and we seem to be diving face first into it now and just ahhhhhhhhh.

To be fair, though, Robear's heart was in the right place. And this should be a thread for talking about things more in that spirit or in solutions.

I got pretty dark, I admit, but I was also talking about how *I* was struggling. And in this post just now you're doing the same thing.

Lists of terrible things that are happening, though, is probably not helpful, to Demyx's point. Not mini-modding, to be clear. More thinking out loud about how this thread would be useful.

For the first couple of days after the election, if I had to go out I only went to convenience stores, groceries and gas stations owned by Indians and Pakistanis. I didn't want to look at a single white face knowing that any one of them could have voted Trump.

This is probably a strategy my therapist would call "maladaptive." Especially when Old Crow bourbon was part of the mix.

I am honestly unsure of what to do. My life is a mess and I have enough trouble steering it. The thought of me being able to exert any influence on events outside of it is just laughable when I can barely handle what's going on in my life. I wonder how many other people out there feel the same way.

How can you reach people like that? What can they do?

As the topic creator, I am strongly against this thread becoming a touchy-feely happy place. My intent is to lay bare the raw nerves and share the horrors so that people like me can recognize that they're not the only person suffering.

In the other topics that feature current events, personal feelings are typically off-topic, therefore shunned.

I already shut myself out of one "support" topic on GWJ because I was posting things other than affirmation. In this topic, feel free to let it all hang out, no matter how ugly.

From the "scope of topic" blurb:

Please keep it civil, but realize that there may be passionate discussion and it may not be pretty.

All that said, I have nothing against anyone trying to be supportive.

We actually already do have a positive, affirming thread set up:

Post-Election Optimistic Hope-All

It understandably doesn't seem to have a lot of traffic, but it's there!

Anyway, yesterday I received an email from a district coordinator in my region for my county's Democratic party about the possibility of becoming a district co-coordinator, and I decided to let her know I was interested and we will be meeting later this week to discuss. The email was sent out to some others too, so I'm not saying that I will get the position, but the fact that not only was someone thinking of me in a positive way but also offering another opportunity to help has helped to improve my mood in the sense of feeling like I can *do* something about this dreadful situation we're all in. It's also helping me to stay in touch with people in my area who share many of my values rather than just being surrounded by conservatives views.

Called and spoke to my mom yesterday and avoided all talk of politics. She knows that I've been sick (for lack of a better word) and that I'm still trying to get through this stressful period while having been so de-energized (even before the election), but I can't really talk to her about most of the reasons why I believe it's been happening, outside of the possibility of peri-menopausal hormone changes.

I think getting out and volunteering more would be of great benefit to me. When my husband abandoned me years ago, I went and spoke to a minister in my church and he urged me to do some volunteering with the idea that helping others can also help me, so I did some volunteering at the food ministry in my region until I got a full time job and had to stop. (It did help a bit though I do admit I never really did get completely over what happened.) So I'm thinking more volunteering would help with the "what the heck can I *do*" as well as help build back more of my confidence level and help me find some direction.

It's still difficult because in another sense, I feel like there's something like a virtual hand around my ankle constantly trying to tug me down, down, down and so it's still a constant struggle fighting against that, especially as Trump continues to fill his cabinet with people who are bound and determined to completely destroy our government. With all the Russia hacking and tampering news coming out, I'm not even sure that Trump's presidency would even be legitimate, though even if it wasn't, I don't think it would matter. People just don't seem to care enough, but I would be thrilled to be wrong about that.

I feel like I'm an emotional sine wave right now.

Life has historically been nasty, short, and brutish. The recent past is an aberration, if anything, and a return to the mean is not altogether unexpected. I guess you can be contented somewhat that for a time things were relatively pleasant, at least for some.

I'm mentally preparing to be either dead or in Gitmo by the time this administration wraps up. If it ever does.

One of the craziest things about this election is how intrusive it is into everyday thought. I'll frequently have a thought that goes like this. I see a commercial for "Ellen" or something and I'll think, "Weird, I didn't expect that when the fascist state came we'd still have Ellen of all things".

It's like right now it's more horrifying when I see everyday life and it feels like the thing right before the terrible thing we don't want to admit is happening.

I need to see my psych soon.

I normally think long-term and in the interests of others. Yet Hillary was both best for me personally and was considered the best social justice candidate realistically in the field. Over the past couple of years I've figured out that while I have the same goals as fellow left-wingers, we don't have much in common as far as how we think or even our personalities (the right-wing is far worse and no-wing has its own set of problems, just to be clear). For these reasons, I increasingly was looking forward to Hillary. I wish I could still think in more abstract terms about how this is probably better long-term for the many than a Clinton collapse in a redistricting year like 2020, but I can't anymore.

Saw this today and it pretty much sums up a lot of my current feelings about things:

I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys.
I listened as they said he wasn't born here.
I watched as they blocked every single path to progress that they could.
I saw the pictures of him as Hitler.
I watched them shut down the government and hurt the entire nation twice.
I watched them turn their backs on every opportunity to open worthwhile dialog.
I watched them say that they would not even listen to any choice for Supreme Court no matter who the nominee was.
I listened as they openly said that they will oppose him at every turn.
I watched as they did just that.
I listened.
I watched.
I paid attention.
Now, I'm being called on to be tolerant.
To move forward.
To denounce protesters.
To "Get over it."
To accept this...
I will not.
I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.
I will do this as quickly as possible every chance I get.
I will do my part to limit the damage that this man can do to my country.
I will watch his every move and point out every single mistake and misdeed in a loud and proud voice.
I will let you know in a loud voice every time this man backs away from a promise he made to them.
Them. The people who voted for him.
The ones who sold their souls and prayed for him to win.
I will do this so that they never forget.
And they will hear me.
They will see it in my eyes when I look at them.
They will hear it in my voice when I talk to them.
They will know that I know who they are.
They will know that I know what they are.
Do not call for my tolerance. I've tolerated all I can.
Now it's their turn to tolerate ridicule.
Be aware, make no mistake about it, every single thing that goes wrong in our country from this day
forward is now Trump's fault just as much as they thought it was Obama's.
I find it unreasonable for them to expect from me what they were entirely unwilling to give."
-Author unknown.