[Discussion] European Politics Discussion

European Politics discussion

The project was the right idea, but as with every single major infrastructure project in the UK, it all starts with London and sucks the money and resources out of any badly delayed and essential upgrade works in the parts of the country that have been neglected for decades. It’s a massive, serious issue for those parts of the country that aren’t London or its immediate environment. Brighton is well served by transport infrastructure, it doesn’t need anything more. The services that run on that infrastructure are a shambles admittedly, but they are a shambles everywhere .

There isn’t a fixed pot of money for transport. You can do more than one thing at a time (at least the U.K. government pre-austerity could) and when the interest rate for U.K. Government debt was near zero there really wasn’t a fiscal limit on what could be done. It’s a political choice for Westminster to prioritise London. One that will continue until the U.K. has electoral reform. I don’t accept that HS2’s funding made any difference to whether other rail projects happen or not. Now the HS2’s extra phases are cancelled, nothing that wasn’t already happening is going to happen.

The Conservatives have been absolutely spanked in two by-elections, losing both seats to Labour with some historically large swings in the vote.

The next UK government won’t be Tory. Let’s say that.

Sorbicol wrote:

The Conservatives have been absolutely spanked in two by-elections, losing both seats to Labour with some historically large swings in the vote.

The next UK government won’t be Tory. Let’s say that.

Two seats that were about as reliably and historically Tory as they could get, no less.

I read a piece, albeit in the Grauniad, arguing that Rishi is pretty much an empty suit, a dead man walking at this point, and that even his fellow tories know and are treating him like it.

Fair or nonsense?

At this point my working hypothesis is that Sunak is India's revenge for colonization.

This would be, unquestionably, the most hilarious result of Brexit.

A recent Lucid Talk/Sunday Times survey showed that 57% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Northern Ireland would vote “yes” to reunifying Ireland if a border poll were held today, despite there being no official campaign or unity plan in place. More than 600,000 people have been born in Northern Ireland since the signing of the Good Friday agreement, and they have grown up during a sustained period of peace that has given rise to a new set of priorities. This is a generation that wants more rights, more progressive change – and to confine the division of the past to the dustbin of history.

Polls and surveys have consistently demonstrated that the Good Friday generation are more likely to vote for a united Ireland, more likely to identify as Irish or Northern Irish, and that the vast majority do not align themselves with unionist ideology – all of which suggests pro-union parties are likely to face an uphill battle in convincing them that Northern Ireland’s place is in the UK.

Last month, I asked young people at Belfast’s One Young World summit whether the picture painted by polling rings true. “With the British government’s blatant disregard for Northern Ireland – most recently demonstrated by the Troubles ‘legacy’ bill and disastrous consequences of Brexit – it’s perfectly legitimate and understandable for young people to aspire to a constitutional arrangement that better protects the rights and identities of people in Northern Ireland and minoritised communities,” said one activist I spoke to, 25-year-old Tara Grace Connolly. “Why would we want to stay part of a union that fails to show basic respect to its own citizens?”

Also, allow me to beat all you nerds to the punchline:

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Additionally hilarious that the official full name of the Conservative Party is the Conservative and Unionist Party, given they probably didn't mean unifying NI with the rest of Ireland

Prederick wrote:

I read a piece, albeit in the Grauniad, arguing that Rishi is pretty much an empty suit, a dead man walking at this point, and that even his fellow tories know and are treating him like it.

Fair or nonsense?

The Tories are split at the moment between the moderates (mostly behind Hunt being the Chancellor) and the Rabid Brexiter mob more or less behind Braverman being the Home Secretary. He can’t do anything to change the status quo if he wants to keep his job, and he’ll probably loss his job anyway because the electorate hate the Tories and after 13 years of abject failure, they haven’t figured out why yet. It should be noted that the moderates behind Hunt are still considerable more right wing than has been standard for the Tories since Thatcher.

It’s not entirely his fault per sé, but on the other he wanted the job, and a lot of the very few policy decisions he has made recently haven’t pleased either side of the party, nor the electorate. That’s not sustainable. However, if the Tories try to get rid of them, I suspect he’ll just call a General Election and have done with it.

This could also go in the Israel thread, but boy howdy, that Suella Braverman lady, huh?

What's sad is that she will lose her gig, and be very comfortably bankrolled to appear on GBNews/FOX News/OANN/etc. for the rest of her career.

Boris is saying "The Tories are so boned."

Prederick wrote:

This could also go in the Israel thread, but boy howdy, that Suella Braverman lady, huh?

What's sad is that she will lose her gig, and be very comfortably bankrolled to appear on GBNews/FOX News/OANN/etc. for the rest of her career.

Boris is saying "The Tories are so boned."

Rishi Sunak has disowned her comments as well. He needs to make a hard choice about getting rid of her. Do so though and he plays straight into Keir Starmer’s demands to do so. Keep her and he looks yet weaker than he already does.

Anyone got a head of lettuce handy?

Braverman's already been fired for cause from that job once. She was then reappointed to the same position less than a week later.

The Tory party, ladies and gentlemen!

Meanwhile, in Spain....

Spanish PM Sánchez set to stay in power with controversial Catalan amnesty deal

Spain’s acting prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, is on the verge of securing another term in office after his socialist party won the support of Catalan separatists by offering a deeply controversial amnesty for those who took part in the illegal and failed push for regional independence six years ago.

The deal between the Spanish Socialist Workers’ party (PSOE) and the centre-right Junts (Together) comes after a week of tense negotiations and amid widespread concerns over the amnesty, which have led to street protests, dire warnings from conservative judges and questions from Brussels.

Speaking shortly after the agreement was announced on Thursday, the PSOE’s organisational secretary, Santos Cerdán, said the negotiations had yielded “a historic opportunity to resolve a conflict that could – and should – only be resolved politically”. He said the proposed amnesty bill would now be put before parliament, adding that a new, socialist-led government would offer a progressive alternative to an alliance between the conservative People’s party (PP) and the far-right Vox party.

Spanish rightwing politician shot in face in Madrid

A Spanish rightwing politician and former vice-president of the European parliament is reported to be in a stable condition in hospital after being shot in the face by a masked gunman in a wealthy Madrid neighbourhood.

Alejo Vidal-Quadras, a former leader of the conservative People’s party (PP) in Catalonia who joined the far-right Vox party in 2014, was shot on a street in the Salamanca district of the Spanish capital at about 1.30pm local time on Thursday.

Madrid’s emergency services confirmed that a 78-year-old man had received a gunshot wound and said the bullet had passed through his jaw.

El País reported that Vidal-Quadras was in a stable condition in Gregorio Marañon hospital and was being treated for a wound to the face.

The paper said the rightwing politician was attacked as he came out of the building where he lives.

“Initial investigations suggest that two men on a black Yamaha motorbike were involved in the shooting,” El País said. “The gunman, who was wearing a crash helmet, jumped on to the bike after discharging his weapon. The pair then drove off.”

The general vibe is that Braverman is trying to get fired to avoid getting the taint of Sunak’s electoral implosion on her. Her new seat[1] is one of the safest Conservative seats in the country so she expects to survive the election. The conventional wisdom is that none of the great offices of state can resign without pulling down the PM and the Party doesn’t forgive those who do that.

So welcome to the last year of a government and party that knows they have lost so all this time they will be preparing for the aftermath. And all the while the rest of us have to twiddle our thumbs. If this was a serious country the Head of State would dissolve parliament and we could have the election now. It’s like an extra season of Succession.

[1] Next election is going to be done with the new constituency boundaries which were designed to advantage the Conservatives but that was before Brexit and the Conservatives losing their minds. A Cameron style Conservative Party that appeals to Suburban Middle Class would clean up.

Sorbicol wrote:

Rishi Sunak has disowned her comments as well. He needs to make a hard choice about getting rid of her. Do so though and he plays straight into Keir Starmer’s demands to do so. Keep her and he looks yet weaker than he already does.

Sky says Sunak has "full confidence" in her, mind.

Corruption scandal in Portugal.
PM submitted is resignation to the President. He'll stay for a bit to get this year's budget approved and then he'll leave. Someone from his party will temporarily take over until elections in March.
This probably will give more votes to the far right party. Not enough for a majority but the center right party might need them to get a victory in the next elections. I hope not...

Suella Braverman has been sacked by Rishi Sunak following from her antics over the last several days demonising anyone with the temerity to protest against her seemingly personal political agenda, and making the Met Police’s task keeping public order a whole lot harder.

I reckon Sunak will be facing a leadership election before the end of the year. What a shambles.

Edit: He’s also brought back David Cameron as Foreign Secretary. The death throes of this Government are truly becoming a sight to behold

Replace the writers!
The reuse of previously abandoned characters is getting too unbelievable.

Did the lettuce win?

Rat Boy wrote:

Did the lettuce win?

The lettuce is undefeated. I for one welcome our asteraceae overlord.

She’s certifiably insane that woman.

And is still probably the betting favorite to end up leader of the Tories once it's all said and done.

Sorbicol wrote:

She’s certifiably insane that woman.

Possibly. I will say though that she definitely seems to represent her constituency just as that f*ckwit Marjorie Taylor Greene in Georgia does.

I think it’s worth pointing out that she’s a fully qualified Lawyer. If she behaved the way she has in office in her profession, she would have been disqualified from the bar a long time ago.

That’s a pretty damning indictment for her to be honest.

In further set backs to the Tories anti-immigration plans, the whole sending Asylum seekers to Rwanda operation has been ruled illegal in the UK Supreme Court.

This will probably prompt quite a few calls for the UK to withdrawn from the European Convention on Human Rights.

Rishi Sunak is having a bad week.

Dutch election promises new era and shake-up in politics

There really is a sense of a new era beginning in Dutch politics in next week's snap parliamentary election.

Not only is a party formed only three months ago topping the polls, but the Netherlands could be about to welcome its first female prime minister too.

After 13 years as prime minister, Mark Rutte is bowing out and the 22 November election caused by the collapse of his government is being fought on a cluster of domestic crises - from the high cost of living and a shortage of housing, to healthcare and climate change.

What you need to know

Even though it has been only two years since the last vote, many of the leaders standing are new, including the two front-runners.

Dilan Yeşilgöz, 46, the new head of Mr Rutte's liberal-conservative VVD and a daughter of Turkish refugees, is now widely tipped to lead her country.

Pieter Omtzigt, 49, is riding a wave of popularity in Dutch politics, with his centrist New Social Contract party emerging from nowhere as election favourite. But he has so far been lukewarm about becoming prime minister.

What makes this election highly unpredictable is the significant proportion of floating voters deciding which 26 parties should fill the 150 seats in the Dutch parliament. There is a minimal threshold and the polls suggest as many as 17 parties could get in. The last coalition took nine months to form and lasted less than two years.

SEVENTEEN PARTIES?!?!?!?!?

That is some straight up People's Front of Judea/Judean People's Front sh*t.

16 parties got a seat in the latest election in Denmark. With a 2% threshold. Albeit 4 of those were special seats with no threshold (to represent specific territories). It is just too many to be positive tbh.

Sounds like Netherlands got no thresholds, well, other than 1/150, since you cant get less than one seat.

Prederick wrote:

Pieter Omtzigt, 49, is riding a wave of popularity in Dutch politics, with his centrist New Social Contract party emerging from nowhere as election favourite. But he has so far been lukewarm about becoming prime minister.

A politician who don't think they are the the best thing that could ever happen to their country? :O Or just trying to get votes on pretending.