[Discussion] European Politics Discussion

European Politics discussion

Honestly, I don’t see the far right RN cooperating with Macron at all. France is new to coalitions, it has never worked that way at all. We could learn a thing or two from our neighbors about cooperating.
I definitely wouldn’t say the left is gaining power. The PS is pretty much a thing of the past at this point, and the NUPES is already fractured as heck. They might collaborate on a few subjects but not much more. It’s more likely the alliance will fall apart at some point.

Edit: Just listened to this evening's news and apparently there ARE talks between Macron and RN... Unfreakin'-believable... It's enough to flip a table.

Eleima wrote:

Edit: Just listened to this evening's news and apparently there ARE talks between Macron and RN... Unfreakin'-believable... It's enough to flip a table.

That's gotta be a non-starter. I thought one of Macron's primary stances was a much more powerful EU, whereas the RN wants a much more non-existant EU. Am I that misinformed?

Eleima wrote:

Edit: Just listened to this evening's news and apparently there ARE talks between Macron and RN... Unfreakin'-believable... It's enough to flip a table.

These days I just expect the worst... and chances are I still end up being wrong, because it somehow gets even worse.

It's all very vague at the moment, it's not even clear whether these talks concern collaboration on specific legislation or on an official coalition agreement. It could be window dressing, to show the right-wing voters Macron is "listening to their concerns", or to put additional pressure on his likely preferred coalition partner LR (centre-right formation). The latter ruled out a coalition, but from experience here in politically convoluted Belgium: that means next to nothing at this point.

Macron is supposed to address the nation on the hung parliament any time soon, but I expect nothing but fluff there.

Agree dejanzie. Same in Ireland and Northern Ireland. Parties refuse to go into coalition together until they do. Amazing when actual power is on the table how is focuses the mind. And don't forget, if you refuse to take power, somebody else will. This is a zero sum game. Something the left in France need to understand and quick.

The damn is breaking. Johnsons loses two by-elections and party chair. Listen to UK radio this morning at a few political correspondents hav mentioned that there are murmurings of rules changes so they can have another confidence vote. Take with pinch of salt but considering Oliver Dowden only 13 days ago fully defended Johnson you get the feeling some are making some cynical calculations now.

Axon wrote:

The damn is breaking. Johnsons loses two by-elections and party chair. Listen to UK radio this morning at a few political correspondents hav mentioned that there are murmurings of rules changes so they can have another confidence vote. Take with pinch of salt but considering Oliver Dowden only 13 days ago fully defended Johnson you get the feeling some are making some cynical calculations now.

Johnson will call another General Election before he "allows" another confidence vote. Right now, what with the RMT Union strike on our railways he's waiting for it to get really bad before he does so he claim he can fix it and Labour are orchestrating it all. The cost of living crisis here is a real crisis now for a lot of people - I'm a higher rate tax payer in the UK (e.g. I earn a lot more than the average wage) and I'm having to rebudget and severely cut down on my day to day costs. That's mostly driven by the obscene increase in my energy bills (over 100% in the last 6 months) with another 40% increase coming in October. I'm no longer able to save much from my take home pay, it all pretty much goes out by the end of the month. And lets not talk about the price of car fuel.

There are a lot of people in the UK right now who are quite literally having to choose between eating or using electricity. I'm really not joking. While the pandemic and the War in Ukraine are making thing worse, it's the brexit factor that's really starting to bite. Interest rates are currently at 9%, we haven't seen those since the 1980s. We're heading headlong into a sustained period of "stagflation" and all the politicians can say is that people shouldn't be asking for pay rises. There will be widespread civil unrest before the end of the year.

In all the depressing news about politics, and the rise of the right wing nationalists, idiotic UK prime ministers etc. I will just drink a beer, or a few beers, tonight, celebrating the death of the nationalist racist party that has completely dominated our political system for the last ~25 years.
They kinda started dying more than a year ago, but over the last months it has sped up significantly. They had 16 members of parliament, as of right now (and it might have lowered before I press the Post button) they are 6 left. 4 has left in the last day. At the prime of their power they were at 37 MPs.
It is just lovely to watch. Schadenfreude is a great feeling.

Of course, nothing is perfect. Most of them are likely joining one of our upstart National Racist parties. A new one was created yesterday, which caused the most recent exodus.
Still, even in a country without First Past the Post voting systems, having a bunch of small racist parties is less bad than having one large. That just wont give the same power and influence. With some luck, a few of them might even fall below the 2% electoral threshold for getting into parliament.

So, just had to express my happiness

Sounds pretty great Shadout! Cheers!

In Germany, the AfD has been suffering some bigger electoral defeats lately. Coupled with a bunch of infighting and their inability to clearly distance themselves from Russia, they have not been able to take advantage of the current perfect storm (skyrocketing costs for energy...and pretty much everything else too, a looming recession, etc...) for the rise of a far-right party. At least not yet....

Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak have just resigned their posts as Health Secretary and Chancellor respectively.

You’d think that’s it for Boris.

Stolen From Twitter wrote:

UK liberals watching conservative ministers resigning: Haha f*ck yeah!!! Yes!!

UK liberals when inevitably those resigning ministers are replaced by even worse right-wingers: Well this f*cking sucks. What the f*ck.

I am slightly worried Nadine Dorries will be Chancellor I won't lie......

This will definitely be the thing that finishes Johnson’s political career.

Waiting for the Ron Howard narrator to say it won’t be,

I can’t remember who tweeted it but some said Johnson in all his relationships: political, personal and professional, never quits. He just acts badly until the other party cuts ties. We have never had a PM try to do a fadeaway before. I am not sure the institutions are capable of firing him. The 1922 have yet to change their rules and he won’t resign. Does losing a no confidence vote in the Commons trigger a general election? I suspect losing his seat in a GE is the only way for sure he’s gone.

DoveBrown wrote:

I suspect losing his seat in a GE is the only way for sure he’s gone.

In Canada, a junior MP in a safe seat can be thrown to the wolves so the PM can run in the subsequent byelection.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
DoveBrown wrote:

I suspect losing his seat in a GE is the only way for sure he’s gone.

In Canada, a junior MP in a safe seat can be thrown to the wolves so the PM can run in the subsequent byelection.

That would normally be true except he’s made it so there are no safe Conservative seats anymore. He lost Tiverton and Honiton with a 38% swing. The last time that seat had a Liberal MP was in the 19th century. His own seat would normally be a safe seat.

I think the gig is just about up. A combination of 32 ministers and PPS's have now resigned, it's highly probably Johnson won't be able to backfill those positions because people will refuse to take them. It's now being reported that a group of cabinet ministers, including Grant Shapps & Nadim Zahawi (who's he's only just made Chancellor) are waiting at No. 10 to tell him to go.

It's either that or he'll be calling a General Election tomorrow. Which at this point is possibly the best outcome as the Tories have no hope of winning with him in charge.

I'm kind of here for Boris Johnson being such a hilarious, incompetent turd that it forces the Queen to get involved.

EDIT: Or, even better, someone explain what's going on right now using The Thick Of It references.

EDIT v2: Omnishambles? I feel like the word is omnishambles.

Prederick wrote:

I'm kind of here for Boris Johnson being such a hilarious, incompetent turd that it forces the Queen to get involved.

EDIT: Or, even better, someone explain what's going on right now using The Thick Of It references.

EDIT v2: Omnishambles? I feel like the word is omnishambles.

I think they are going to have to shoot him with horse tranquilisers to get him out at this point. I really hope he does call a GE because he'll lose spectacularly and then there will probably be PR. That'll exclude the Tory party from power for decades.

Sorbicol wrote:

then there will probably be PR.

Out of the loop on this one but have the Lib Dems made this red line? Genuinely curious because if I was the Lib Dems I'd never go into coalition ever again without this.

Axon wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:

then there will probably be PR.

Out of the loop on this one but have the Lib Dems made this red line? Genuinely curious because if I was the Lib Dems I'd never go into coalition ever again without this.

The current Lib Dem Strategy is:

1. Supply and Demand only.
2. The price for this will be electoral reform (PR) without a referendum. It will have to be in place for the next General Election
3. House of Lords becomes an elected house. all current peers are - effectively - fired.

With all the resignations, it sounds like it's pretty much down to Boris and Larry the Cat at Number 10.

Well he's finally conceded to the inevitable, but wants to stay on until the Autumn when the Conservatives will have elected a new leader.

Whether or not they'll let him is another matter.

All hail Prime Minister the Cat.

We've lost a true comedy legend.

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I've been rewatching "Yes, Minister" recently and it's making what's going on in the UK even funnier.

Somewhat amazing that, by most reports I've heard, that and "The Thick of It".... y'know, the comedies, are more accurate depictions of UK politics than any drama.

Yeah I think Yes, Minister/Prime Minister and The Thick of It are really the pinnacles of political comedies.

NO WAY did he cite MLK. NO WAY.

Prederick wrote:

NO WAY did he cite MLK. NO WAY.

Marvin?

Prederick wrote:

NO WAY did he cite MLK. NO WAY.

He is a man utterly without shame or humility. You have to remember that even now, his entire world view is that he's right and everyone else is wrong.

The should be a mental competence test for any position of authority. I'm fairly sure he wouldn't be allowed to be a blackboard monitor if there were.