[Discussion] The Donald Trump Administration

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits.

So more people at the women's march today than at the inauguration.

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Businesses that employ 50 or more people but do not offer health insurance to their full-time employees pay a tax penalty if the government has subsidized a full-time employee's healthcare through tax deductions or other means. This is commonly known as the employer mandate. This provision was included to encourage employers to continue providing insurance once the exchanges began operating. Approximately 44% of the population was covered directly or indirectly through an employer.

The entire employer-provided insurance concept is poison. It grew out of salary caps implemented during WW2 and should have ended with the war. And while the ACA does have an employer insurance mandate, we can't ignore state-level laws that require it, or the tax-breaks that are what really keep it alive.

Even though I support single-payer, I'd be sympathetic to a free market argument. But no free market for healthcare exists in the US.

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The California state capitol flying the flag half mast.

So he's in immediate conflict and thus immediately impeachable?

And again the issue is not that did he break the law, it is who will stop him? Hint: Not the current congress.

They will wait until 6 or 10 months before midterms, impeach him and then run on "ethically responsible".

mudbunny wrote:

They will wait until 6 or 10 months before midterms, impeach him and then run on "ethically responsible".

The GOP isn't going accuse the de facto public head of its own party of corruption or ethics violations during an election year.

Doing would piss off the true believer chunk of Republican voters (who are crucial for midterms) and taint *every* GOP candidate as being corrupt by association.

OG_slinger wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

They will wait until 6 or 10 months before midterms, impeach him and then run on "ethically responsible".

The GOP isn't going accuse the de facto public head of its own party of corruption or ethics violations during an election year.

Doing would piss off the true believer chunk of Republican voters (who are crucial for midterms) and taint *every* GOP candidate as being corrupt by association.

They will if they're more afraid of not doing it. Right now that looks pretty remote, of course.

The most likely way that happens is if the more mainstream Republican voters turn against Trump, or they otherwise think that they'll lose elections. Or go to jail: Trump is right now beyond the reach of ordinary law enforcement, but his shame-proofing doesn't seem to carry over to anyone else.

They can be influenced: the recent Office of Congressional Ethics drama prompted public outcry, for example. And the huge gaping divides between Trump and the Republican Congress can be played against each other. Will any of that matter? We'll find out, I guess.

Even so, do we really *want* Pence to take his place? I'm not sure I do.

bekkilyn wrote:

Even so, do we really *want* Pence to take his place? I'm not sure I do.

Not really but i'd honestly prefer him than watching Trump get away with all that he's doing and trying to do.

ranalin wrote:
bekkilyn wrote:

Even so, do we really *want* Pence to take his place? I'm not sure I do.

Not really but i'd honestly prefer him than watching the entire Trump family and businesses get away with all that he's doing and trying to do.

oilypenguin wrote:
ranalin wrote:
bekkilyn wrote:

Even so, do we really *want* Pence to take his place? I'm not sure I do.

Not really but i'd honestly prefer him than watching the entire Trump family and businesses get away with all that he's doing and trying to do.

I don't necessarily think that what Pence wants to do is any better, but it would be much easier to normalize it with Pence than with Trump. That's the scary part.

bekkilyn wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:
ranalin wrote:
bekkilyn wrote:

Even so, do we really *want* Pence to take his place? I'm not sure I do.

Not really but i'd honestly prefer him than watching the entire Trump family and businesses get away with all that he's doing and trying to do.

I don't necessarily think that what Pence wants to do is any better, but it would be much easier to normalize it with Pence than with Trump. That's the scary part.

You're not wrong. But the fact that a career con-man is in the top job and is exploiting it AND WE KNOW HE'S DOING IT and nothing is happening rankles me.

In many ways, Pence is likely to be worse but his rhetoric is all sh*t we've heard before and can fight.

Do you think a Pence presidency would be turning away Canadians at the border? No.

He'd be Bush but, y'know, eviler. At least his evil is couched in tradition.

The press doesn't even know how to cover trump, he's so far off the rails. Give me the evil that I can wrap my head around and fight.

Trump's lying about the crowd size now. How very small he is.

The entire world will regret what we've done here.

As a queer person... Pence is really really f*cking scary to me.

But I have a [em]slightly[/em] harder time imagining him starting WWIII than with Trump, who I can imagine doing it via a twitter flamefest.

Not real happy about the whole situation. :l

I think more people showed up to protest in Montpelier VT than to attend Trump's inauguration. Really proud of my hometown.

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Hypatian wrote:

As a queer person... Pence is really really f*cking scary to me.

But I have a [em]slightly[/em] harder time imagining him starting WWIII than with Trump, who I can imagine doing it via a twitter flamefest.

Not real happy about the whole situation. :l

I really just want to boot the whole lot of them. Can't we just impeach them all?

sadly I suspect Trump would look out the window and think "see? I'm real popular with the ladies!"

Meanwhile, at the CIA:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...

Trump appeared at the CIA on his first official day as the 45th president after a rough few weeks where he'd heavily criticized the agency, blamed it for leaks and questioned their assessment that Russia had interfered in the U.S. election. In a brief 15-minute statement, Trump meandered, but without the kind of discipline or grace one might expect from the commander in chief.

"I am so behind you and I know maybe sometimes you haven't gotten the backing that you've wanted and you're going to get so much backing," Trump told the intel community with whom he has feuded. "Maybe you'll say, 'don't give us so much backing. Mr. President, please, we don't need that much backing,' But you're going to have that, and I think everybody in this room knows it."

Hypatian wrote:

As a queer person... Pence is really really f*cking scary to me.

But I have a [em]slightly[/em] harder time imagining him starting WWIII than with Trump, who I can imagine doing it via a twitter flamefest.

Not real happy about the whole situation. :l

I'm not a fan of Pence, either, for many of the same reasons. But he seems less interested than Trump in cultivating a fascist cult of personality and military authoritarianism. I seriously worry about what Trump will do to our country and to our government (including members of his own party he views as insufficiently loyal) in order to feed that need for control and adulation.

I watched the CIA speech, and what struck me was that he delivered a few platitudes ("You guys are great" sort of thing), welcomed Mr. Pompeo, and spent the rest of the time talking about the Lying Media, his respect for the military, a possible upcoming war in Iraq (!) ("We didn't keep the oil... We may have another chance at that!"), and the "lies" the media told. What struck me is that he believes he had 1.5M people at the inauguration. He flat-out said the pictures that have been published are fakes.

WTF?

Interesting that they put him in the atrium. He obviously did not like that restriction.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

On the bright side, we're definitely in the MCU, as Captain America just punched a Nazi right in the goddamn face.

[GIF removed] Please, let's not start glorifying sucker punching people because we don't like them. - Certis

Funnier with sound, as it happens while Richard Spencer is explaining Pepe.

http://thoughtsonthedead.com/on-the-...

It's always ok to punch Nazis

I've started to see doctored "fake news" photos being pushed by fascist media sites that suspiciously look like Obama's crowd, but claiming that it was Trump's.

I happend to catch the beginning of the press briefing. That press secretary is so angry. I half expected him to yell "We've always been at war with Eastasia."

TheGameguru wrote:
Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

On the bright side, we're definitely in the MCU, as Captain America just punched a Nazi right in the goddamn face.

[GIF removed] Please, let's not start glorifying sucker punching people because we don't like them. - Certis

Funnier with sound, as it happens while Richard Spencer is explaining Pepe.

http://thoughtsonthedead.com/on-the-...

It's always ok to punch Nazis

Let's not forget that this is *this* Richard Spencer:
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I certainly think Trump is more dangerous than Pence. Even if it is close.
Pence has worse "political" opinions (if you can call such disrespect of other people that) by far, but he seem less unpredictable, less of a psychopath.
Really though, Trump wont be impeached, unless the republicans have absolutely no other choice left. Like getting caught directly colluding with Putin.They wont do it merely to get Pence instead. You just don't do that to the person who energized half of your voter base.

Really awesome to see how many showed up for all the protests today however.

Trump press secretary in full court madness:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...

5:46 PM: Verbatim quote: "This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration. Period. Both in person and around the globe."