[Discussion] The Donald Trump Administration

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits.

BREAKING: Trump, surrounded by steelworkers, signs proclamations to impose steep tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 8, 2018

Gremlin wrote:

BREAKING: Trump, surrounded by steelworkers, signs proclamations to impose steep tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 8, 2018

I hope they asked him why he opted to use Chinese produced steel and aluminum in the last couple of hotels he built.

Gremlin wrote:

BREAKING: Trump, surrounded by steelworkers, signs proclamations to impose steep tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 8, 2018

This will end well.

Reaper81 wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

BREAKING: Trump, surrounded by steelworkers, signs proclamations to impose steep tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 8, 2018

This will end well.

Only if they start whacking him with those signs.

It's easy to win a trade war.

I hope he doesn't claim bone spurs so he can avoid this war while everyone else has to deal with it.

Wait, doesn't Congress handle everything with money? How can the Executive branch, which is supposed to enforce congressional law, put in place tariffs?

I think because the executive is supposed to deal with other countries and tariffs are about how we trade with other nations.

He can under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, by claiming it's for national security.

WizKid wrote:

He can under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, by claiming it's for national security.

This may be the one thing that the Republicans will stand up to him on:

Sen. Jeff Flake says Congress will try to nix Trump's proposed tariffs

Gremlin wrote:
WizKid wrote:

He can under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, by claiming it's for national security.

This may be the one thing that the Republicans will stand up to him on:

Sen. Jeff Flake says Congress will try to nix Trump's proposed tariffs

DSGamer wrote:

My company finally got a 401k going. I opened the book with all the plans and immediately started looking at “all bonds” plans or international stock plans.

Another 3 years of this “winning” and I’ll consider flipping it back to something normal.

If Flake is unsuccessful I guess I should put the money I was going to put into my 401k I to hold and bottle caps?

Donald Trump Will Meet With Kim Jong Un By May, South Korea Says

President Donald Trump will meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un by May in an effort to persuade the regime to abandon its nuclear weapon program, South Korean officials said Thursday.

Chung Eui-Yong, South Korea’s national security adviser, told reporters gathered outside the White House that Kim expressed his “eagerness to meet” with Trump “as soon as possible” during a visit between the two countries earlier this week. South Korean officials have been in Washington this week to meet with the Trump administration following the summit in Pyongyang.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the meeting would be held at a place and time to be determined later but added that “in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain.”

“President Trump greatly appreciates the nice words of the South Korean delegation and President Moon,” she said. “He will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined. We look forward to the denuclearization of North Korea.”

I can't wait for the photos to be memed.

We seem to have passed the breaking point for the site to handle new pages. Clicking "new" from the forum list just wraps back to page 445 now.

Time for a round 2?

Prediction: Russia or China negotiated with North Korea to even get to this point.

DSGamer wrote:

Prediction: Russia or China negotiated with North Korea to even get to this point.

No offense DSG, but that's not a prediction so much as literally the only scenario that makes any sense.

wordsmythe wrote:

We seem to have passed the breaking point for the site to handle new pages. Clicking "new" from the forum list just wraps back to page 445 now.

Time for a round 2?

Is it broken? I can make another one if need be. Mine seems to be working fine, though.

I can't believe it's been barely a year and we're 445 pages in.

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wordsmythe wrote:

We seem to have passed the breaking point for the site to handle new pages. Clicking "new" from the forum list just wraps back to page 445 now.

Time for a round 2?

Did you back button instead of clicking the icon? I do that a lot and it shows the previous state of what i haven't read (doesn't update for the thing i just read) and when i click new again it goes to the top of the last page because it can't find a 'new' post to go to.

there are threads with 2000 pages on them i don;t think its a size limit.

DSGamer wrote:

Prediction: Russia or China negotiated with North Korea to even get to this point.

It's pretty clear that North Korea is a puppet of China at this point, I don't understand why any actions taken by NK aren't simply attributed to China directly.

thrawn82 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Prediction: Russia or China negotiated with North Korea to even get to this point.

It's pretty clear that North Korea is a puppet of China at this point, I don't understand why any actions taken by NK aren't simply attributed to China directly.

It seemed like China had somewhat lost control over NK (though China obviously could be interested in that interpretation).

Honestly, all this talk about meeting with Trump and stopping missile tests just sound like what they have done countless times before. Maybe they waste everyones time 'negotiating' while they continue on their missiles, or maybe they make a deal, get some money/resources, and break the deal again later when thy feel it is time to show exactly how large their missile is.

Maybe Kim just decided he no longer needed to destroy the imperialist Americans, since Donald's administration is doing that far faster and more effectively than he ever could.

They way I see it is this:

Kim wants the US out of the Korean peninsula. He considers the US an extension of Japanese style imperialism and sees his regime as a holy mission to keep Korea independent irrespective of the consequences. Every other motivation is subservient to that.

Putin wants the delegitimation of American global influence. And he has the leverage against Trump to influence his decision making.

China wants the US out of Korea.

And Trumpanzees want a retraction to nationalism so long as they don't look weak doing so.

If Kim, Russia, and China can figure out a way to make Trump look like a tough guy to the trailer trash set while kicking the US off the peninsula, that is what will happen. There are too many interests aligned.

True, if everyone else can make Trump join in on a really bad deal, then they might make a deal.
When you put it that way, it seems pretty much guaranteed

What would it even take; US cutting ties with South Korea? And what about Japan, hard to imagine they would like a result where nothing changes other than US getting out of Korea.

Could Trump make a deal on his own, or would congress need to accept it?

AUs_TBirD wrote:

Maybe Kim just decided he no longer needed to destroy the imperialist Americans, since Donald's administration is doing that far faster and more effectively than he ever could.

While funny, I would imagine a swiftly 'dying' US could be much more dangerous to North Korea (and China) than otherwise.

Japan would likely throw a sh*t fit over this, but they don't hold a lot of juice with Trump at this point. So would Taiwan and our allies like the Philippines. As long as the Russian bots can spin this as our allies "mooching off of us", those objections should be pretty easy to shout down.

Paleocon wrote:

Japan would likely throw a sh*t fit over this, but they don't hold a lot of juice with Trump at this point. So would Taiwan and our allies like the Philippines. As long as the Russian bots can spin this as our allies "mooching off of us", those objections should be pretty easy to shout down.

I don't feel like Japanese opinion holds much sway with the administration that floated the Japanese concentration camps in WW2 as a good example of immigration policy...

Someone has to explain this to me...

I've seen a LOT of negative backlash about this North Korea meeting from liberal side of the fence today.

I admit to knowing nothing about foreign policy, but the North Korea situation is clearly a mess and has been for 70 years at this point. Just using common sense, it seems like a personal dialog between the leaders of the two countries at least has the potential to begin moving the situation to a more positive state? But I'm seeing a lot of outcry about this being the worse. idea. ever.

Look, Donald Trump is an embarrassingly abysmal mess of a president/human being but I have definitely noticed a tendency for many people to hyperbolically spin everything he says or does as some combination of racist, incompetent, hateful, ignorant or just plain malicious and not EVERYTHING the man does is terrible. I'm wondering if this is just more of that or if there is a legitimate policy reason this meeting is a bad idea.

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cls33 wrote:

Someone has to explain this to me...

I've seen a LOT of negative backlash about this North Korea meeting from liberal side of the fence today.

I admit to knowing nothing about foreign policy, but the North Korea situation is clearly a mess and has been for 70 years at this point. Just using common sense, it seems like a personal dialog between the leaders of the two countries at least has the potential to begin moving the situation to a more positive state? But I'm seeing a lot of outcry about this being the worse. idea. ever.

Look, Donald Trump is an embarrassingly abysmal mess of a president/human being but I have definitely noticed a tendency for many people to hyperbolically spin everything he says or does as some combination of racist, incompetent, hateful, ignorant or just plain malicious and not EVERYTHING the man does is terrible. I'm wondering if this is just more of that or if there is a legitimate policy reason this meeting is a bad idea.

I disagree. Everything the man does is terrible. Some would say the US president meeting with NK gives them legitimacy. I would say having our illegitimate clown meet with them only provides another form of communication for Donald to embarrass us as a nation.

cls33 wrote:

I admit to knowing nothing about foreign policy, but the North Korea situation is clearly a mess and has been for 70 years at this point. Just using common sense, it seems like a personal dialog between the leaders of the two countries at least has the potential to begin moving the situation to a more positive state?

Agreed, so long at to the two persons having said dialog aren't liable to make the situation worse.

That is the (very real, IMHO) concern.