[Discussion] The Donald Trump Administration

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits.

Hobear wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

I want the pro-gun crowd to have to have a public debate amongst themselves on whether teachers should keep their firearms locked and loaded and within easy reach (and easy reach of the 20 to 30 kids in the classroom) because every second counts and you never know when a school shooting could happen, or if they should have the weapon securely stored (and what that secure storage should be).

I also want them to publicly debate whether they think teachers should have to get extra training and qualifications--including tactical shooting--or if they think that whatever pathetic requirements their state has for carrying a gun, if any, is enough.

Just saw in Colorado teachers Can be armed in some schools and he keeps it on his ankle with clip in but schoolboard won't let it be in the chamber. He has to wear boots now. He is a boot guy now.

You’re only allowed to carry in my school district if:

1) You are a current peace officer in scope of duties
2) you have the permission of the superintendent and the principal of the school.
3) otherwise; you may conceal your gun in a car if ou have a concealed handgun license.

Of course he did. What else is the NRA going to blame?

Actually, although I'm loath to ever apologize for Trump, I think I actually under stood what he was getting at. From the article.

"You see these movies, they’re so violent and yet a kid is able to see a movie if sex isn’t involved, but killing is involved. Maybe they have to put a rating system for that.”

He has a point here, assuming I'm understanding this correctly. Ratings are weighted heavily in favor of violence being okay and sex being too mature for kids. In a sane world it would be the opposite. Kids could get light exposure to the realities of being a healthy, full adult and shielded from an act (violence) that is generally rare. Most of us will never be in a fight. Definitely never be in a gunfight. And yet going by media this happens constantly.

I'm with him here. The problem is parents circumvent the ratings system all the time. And always in favor violent movies, it seems.

I guess we could repeal the First Amendment instead. What's it done for us lately?

"We have to look at the internet because a lot of bad things are happening to young kids and young minds and their minds are being formed, and we have to do something about maybe what they're seeing and how they're seeing it," said Trump.

I mean, I'm all in favor of better moderation on YouTube, but the president seems to be going beyond that and proposing some government intervention there. Perhaps he'll be introducing some government regulations? A bold move.

Gremlin wrote:

Perhaps he'll be introducing some government regulations?

He'll have to cut two regulations first.

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

DSGamer wrote:
Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

Why? Do you think it'll get conservatives to listen? Don't mistake a rhetorical tactic like this sort of distraction for an honest sentiment.

Besides, there are no liberals anymore. I'm not sure there ever were. Now we're all 'progressives' or something. I honestly think for most on the left, they'd be happy to make this trade. I don't even think they'd care about waiting for the 'studies' to conclude anything solid.

DSGamer wrote:

unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

You mean the news? The kids are playing Minecraft.

Rezzy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

You mean the news? The kids are playing Minecraft.

A game about suicide bombers, to be fair.

Rezzy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

You mean the news? The kids are playing Minecraft.

Oh no doubt. I would love a study of what Fox News does to people as well.

I'm surprised Amnesty International hasn't come out with a report that toast notifications from American news outlets causes the same physical reactions in users as those undergoing psychological torture.

DSGamer wrote:
Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

Actually I think that's a fair point. It would be smart to study the effect different types of media have on different age groups. It would be smart to study the effect access to different types of firearms has on people. It would be smart to study the effect different levels of training and licensing have on the safety of gun ownership. We could study (more than now) how to improve our prison systems. We could study the effects of weed.

I'm not sure the Republican (government) party wants to study or learn anything to support an agenda.

Man, you guys are all looking at the wrong thing. This is not a goal of saving kids. This has the end goal of ensuring black students (and teachers) no longer exist, either because they stop going to school (because they are terrified their racist white teacher will kill them) or they stop going to school (because their racist white teacher did kill them.) And the teachers will be the same thing. When every black teacher has a gun drawn on them when they turn the corner because a hyper-paranoid teacher with a gun was surprised, do you think they will want to stay teaching?

And what do you think will happen the first time a black supply teacher shows up to replace a regular teacher? He'll enter the staff room and will have a crapton of guns pulled on them.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

Why? Do you think it'll get conservatives to listen? Don't mistake a rhetorical tactic like this sort of distraction for an honest sentiment.

Besides, there are no liberals anymore. I'm not sure there ever were. Now we're all 'progressives' or something. I honestly think for most on the left, they'd be happy to make this trade. I don't even think they'd care about waiting for the 'studies' to conclude anything solid.

Of course they won;t wait for the studies. The studies have been done already, unfortunately they routinely fail to find any correlations which ends up being a serious problem for the violent media causes violent actions.

I mean lets me serious, do you really think Punisher has a more substantial effect on behavior than cat-baiting did?

thrawn82 wrote:
cheeze_pavilion wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

Why? Do you think it'll get conservatives to listen? Don't mistake a rhetorical tactic like this sort of distraction for an honest sentiment.

Besides, there are no liberals anymore. I'm not sure there ever were. Now we're all 'progressives' or something. I honestly think for most on the left, they'd be happy to make this trade. I don't even think they'd care about waiting for the 'studies' to conclude anything solid.

Of course they won;t wait for the studies. The studies have been done already, unfortunately they routinely fail to find any correlations which ends up being a serious problem for the violent media causes violent actions.

I mean lets me serious, do you really think Punisher has a more substantial effect on behavior than cat-baiting did?

Or public lynching for that matter.

Paleocon wrote:
thrawn82 wrote:
cheeze_pavilion wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Hockosi wrote:

I saw violent movies as a child. I'm feeling some tendencies, ya know.

I honestly feel like this is something where liberals have to give. If I'm asking conservatives to consider limits on guns then it at least has to be studied if unrelenting violent media has an effect on people.

Why? Do you think it'll get conservatives to listen? Don't mistake a rhetorical tactic like this sort of distraction for an honest sentiment.

Besides, there are no liberals anymore. I'm not sure there ever were. Now we're all 'progressives' or something. I honestly think for most on the left, they'd be happy to make this trade. I don't even think they'd care about waiting for the 'studies' to conclude anything solid.

Of course they won;t wait for the studies. The studies have been done already, unfortunately they routinely fail to find any correlations which ends up being a serious problem for the violent media causes violent actions.

I mean lets me serious, do you really think Punisher has a more substantial effect on behavior than cat-baiting did?

Or public lynching for that matter.

The most recent Breaking on the Wheel was in 1841 (if you don't already know what that is... probably don't look it up, trust me its bad). The last official public hanging was in 1936; 20,000 people showed up to watch it.

Supreme Court won't hear Trump bid to end DACA program

The Supreme Court said on Monday that it will stay out of the dispute concerning the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program for now, meaning the Trump administration may not be able to end the program March 5 as planned.

In an order, the justices declined a request from the Trump administration to review a lower court opinion that temporarily blocked the government's effort to end the program.

The court's order means the case will continue in the lower courts and renewals can continue.

farley3k wrote:

Supreme Court won't hear Trump bid to end DACA program

The court's order means the case will continue in the lower courts

This is the key. Administration will have to fight it all the way up. So, just a delay, which means nada will get done on it until later on down the road.

Why the heck does Donald keep saying that he doesn't want teachers to have guns and then in the very next sentence go on to explain why he wants teachers to have guns? It's bizarre and he keeps doing it.

He's a master persuader.

Depending on however the public (more like his base) swings on this topic he can then say he was right.

Of course, he'd say he was right even when he was wrong anyway, but ...

Gremlin wrote:

Why the heck does Donald keep saying that he doesn't want teachers to have guns and then in the very next sentence go on to explain why he wants teachers to have guns? It's bizarre and he keeps doing it.

Because he's not a very smart person who believes that there are simple solutions to complex problems, like saying the Chicago PD could clean up all crime in just a week if they were just allowed to get tougher or that executing every drug dealer would eliminate drug abuse.

That and the $30 million the NRA spent helping him get elected.

I just realised that Hideo Kojima predicted Donald Trump way back in 2001.

Tie isn’t long enough.

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He thinks he's a tough guy when he'd be whimpering in the corner. What a joke.

I thought he couldn't run on account of his bone spurs.

Paleocon wrote:

I thought he couldn't run on account of his bone spurs.

Damn it, Paleo! Beat me to it.

Paleocon wrote:

I thought he couldn't run on account of his bone spurs.

Ain't no body got time for that!