[Discussion] On Television, Cinema and Race

Thread for race issues in media.

Birth Of a Nation
This movie isn't do so good. I think this is because black people are tired of slave type movies, white people don't want the white guilt, and everybody else is turned off by the rape case. I mean this in general. This is just a perfect storm for the downfall of the movie.

Surviving Compton
Straight out of compton left out the ladies. This lifetime show means to correct that. I believe all of the production was done by women.

Mulan live.
All Chinese cast. Maybe the dumb choices of Gods of Egypt are over.

hbi2k wrote:

The idea [“talk sh*t, get hit”] itself is not strange or surprising. The fact that anyone would seriously defend it in polite adult society in 2022 is.

Again, not defending the action. Simply acknowledging that a violent reaction to a perceived extreme provocation is nothing new, and something that humans have done since time immemorial.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

The idea [“talk sh*t, get hit”] itself is not strange or surprising. The fact that anyone would seriously defend it in polite adult society in 2022 is.

Again, not defending the action. Simply acknowledging that a violent reaction to a perceived extreme provocation is nothing new, and something that humans have done since time immemorial.

Hell, that's basically the basis of most/many religions.

I could've sworn I saw an article saying Rock was going after Jada as far back as 1997. The slap may end up being like The Return of the King's Best Picture Oscar; it wasn't for the act of the day, it was for the body of work.

I have nowhere else to put this, but after seeing another YouTube comment about how "the wokes" would have a conniption about some anodyne joke from a cartoon in 1997, I genuinely have come to believe that the worst thing that can happen to black slang is for white people to get a hold of it and inevitably, utterly f*cking ruin it.

It was already well on its way to being co-opted by the time I properly became aware of it, so I suppose I don't particularly mourn its original usage.

It is useful to have a way of identifying actual pieces of sh*t so I can stop listening to them. It's funny how sometimes someone in social media can be making a show of engaging with a piece of media in good faith while slipping their bigoted bullsh*t in only subtly, and then they'll drop the word "woke" in such a way that it gives the game away. It's like they just can't help themselves.

Weird how Will Smith losing his cool suddenly became indicative of all black men, but Chris Rock keeping his cool and continuing on as a professional didn't. Huh, I wonder why that is.

Mixolyde wrote:

Weird how Will Smith losing his cool suddenly became indicative of all black men, but Chris Rock keeping his cool and continuing on as a professional didn't. Huh, I wonder why that is.

One founding tenet of white privilege is never having to represent your race.

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Is that Brock Turner the Rapist?

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Is that Brock Turner the Rapist?

Yup. And not Brock Turner the white rapist.

Paleocon wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Is that Brock Turner the Rapist?

Yup. And not Brock Turner the white rapist.

Fracking white people.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Is that Brock Turner the Rapist?

Yup. And not Brock Turner the white rapist.

Fracking white people.

Hey now, what has the oil industry ever done to you.... nevermind.

Why are white dudes always playing Jesus? Isn't that like Randall Park playing George Washington?

I don’t know man, if the paintings of Jesus in my parent’s church are to be believed, Jesus was a super pale blond guy with blue eyes.

Well yeah, everyone knows that Jesus was white with blue eyes, blonde hair, 7 feet tall, and when he bent over he could shoot lightning out of his arse!

Farscry wrote:

Well yeah, everyone knows that Jesus was white with blue eyes, blonde hair, 7 feet tall, and when he bent over he could shoot AR-15s out of his arse!

If it was lightning, that would be pagan!

Seth wrote:
Farscry wrote:

Well yeah, everyone knows that Jesus was white with blue eyes, blonde hair, 7 feet tall, and when he bent over he could shoot AR-15s out of his arse!

If it was lightning, that would be pagan!

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UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Seth wrote:
Farscry wrote:

Well yeah, everyone knows that Jesus was white with blue eyes, blonde hair, 7 feet tall, and when he bent over he could shoot AR-15s out of his arse!

If it was lightning, that would be pagan!

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So, basically either Aram Mojtabai from the Blacklist or Osama bin Laden depending on your point of view.

Ok, it's now really bothering me that White Colonizer Jesus has a butt chin through his beard.

If I know my white jesus he should be holding a AR-15 in each hand. No way all the god and guns bumper stickers lied to me.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

If I know my white jesus he should be holding a AR-15 in each hand. No way all the god and guns bumper stickers lied to me.

I like to think of Jesus, like, with giant eagle’s wings. And singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd, with, like, a angel band. And I’m in the front row, and I’m hammered drunk.

I've been reading the Iron Druid series and Jesus made an appearance in book 3. Pretty awesome.

Stele wrote:

I've been reading the Iron Druid series and Jesus made an appearance in book 3. Pretty awesome.

It's worth reading. There are some books where

Spoiler:

it is a race to what powerful god can I kill now

but they move past it pretty nicely.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

God Izzard is the best.

Does anyone listen to Radiolab? I just discovered the podcast and this weekend listened to their episode on race and college debates. (Fair warning it’s a replay with updated info for 2022).

The episode talks about how in college debate there has been a push by Black debate teams from small, disadvantaged schools to recenter how contests occur. These teams use personal anecdotes and spoken word techniques in their arguments and refocus every debate on racial inequality regardless of the original topic. The tactics have worked really well and at least according to RadioLab has resulted in several national championships.

On one hand, I applaud the Black teams laying some of the glaring inequalities bare. I also love bringing personal experience and spoken word into an arena where style had become way too clinical. However, I do have some issue with relying too much on personal anecdote and engaging in “so when did you stop beating your wife” style arguments against the other team when they tried to refocus debate back on to the original topic of alternative energy.

At any rate, worth a listen.

I think the primary goal of those Black debate teams (and Radiolab, and Reveal, etc.) is to be heard.

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They're probably pissed off because in the first episode of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds...

Spoiler:

... they showed footage of 1/6 and claimed it led to a second US civil war, which led to Khan's Eugenics Wars, and then to World War III.

Um, Star Trek featured the first interracial kiss on US television. And don't they depict a post-money idealized society where basically everyone is equal and everyone has a home and access to food?

Tscott wrote:

Um, Star Trek featured the first interracial kiss on US television. And don't they depict a post-money idealized society where basically everyone is equal and everyone has a home and access to food?

I mean the whole outrage over this particular new show presupposes they were cool with that, plus with Discovery two of the main characters being men married to each other, along with a supporting non-binary character who's boyfriend is a trans man.

Tscott wrote:

Um, Star Trek featured the first interracial kiss on US television. And don't they depict a post-money idealized society where basically everyone is equal and everyone has a home and access to food?

I feel like it dines out on that way more than it ought to. Uhura and Kirk didn't share a romantic kiss, they were forced to kiss against their will by an alien. There are much better examples of Star Trek's "wokeness".