[Discussion] On Television, Cinema and Race

Thread for race issues in media.

Birth Of a Nation
This movie isn't do so good. I think this is because black people are tired of slave type movies, white people don't want the white guilt, and everybody else is turned off by the rape case. I mean this in general. This is just a perfect storm for the downfall of the movie.

Surviving Compton
Straight out of compton left out the ladies. This lifetime show means to correct that. I believe all of the production was done by women.

Mulan live.
All Chinese cast. Maybe the dumb choices of Gods of Egypt are over.

I think Smollett should hold a press conference and claim total exoneration.

I was thinking that the cops did something so bad that it wouldn't be possible to find him guilty even if he is guilty. I doubt they would seal the case to protect the actor but they would to protect the police image.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I was thinking that the cops did something so bad that it wouldn't be possible to find him guilty even if he is guilty. I doubt they would seal the case to protect the actor but they would to protect the police image.

This is sound reasoning when dealing with CPD.

The Chicago police union is now demanding a federal investigation of Cook County State's Attorney's actions in the case.

Phrased differently, the union of the police department that operated an illegal, off-the-books black site interrogation facility that violated the constitutional and civil rights of thousands of mostly black Chicago residents wants the feds to investigate the Cook County State's Attorney.

Holy sh*t. So the words in my link? A direct quote to the story 6 hours ago, supposedly from the judge.

The link now goes to a story 180 degrees from that.

A "whitewash of justice", eh... that seems like a poorly thought out statement.

I firmly believe that the Chicago PD's only goal was to destroy Smollett's reputation. I would consider their efforts a resounding success; even progressives have turned against him.

oilypenguin wrote:

Holy sh*t. So the words in my link? A direct quote to the story 6 hours ago, supposedly from the judge.

The link now goes to a story 180 degrees from that.

Yeah that was a direct quote from the defense attorney not the judge. There has been no statement from the courts on the resolution. The only court statement to this point has confirmed the bond forfeiture.

Hard to determine what to believe when you've got the CPD in one corner and a guy who claims he was attacked by two black, MAGA hat wearing brothers who he had paid $2,500 to in the other.

Throw in the DA saying she would recuse herself due to a conflict of interest, but then not actually recusing herself and they're ensuring this story will never go away.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...

Just started watching The Promised Neverland anime which is also a manga but I haven't checked that out. The first thing I noticed that the show has some black characters that look normal. Japan has a tendency to make black characters that would be racist as F in the US.

Then I watch episode two where they introduce this black lady and instead of making her normal like they did the kids she is a ridiculous stereotype. And when I say normal I mean normal for the show. Nobody looks like a real person but only the black lady looks clownish.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Just started watching The Promised Neverland anime which is also a manga but I haven't checked that out. The first thing I noticed that the show has some black characters that look normal. Japan has a tendency to make black characters that would be racist as F in the US.

Then I watch episode two where they introduce this black lady and instead of making her normal like they did the kids she is a ridiculous stereotype. And when I say normal I mean normal for the show. Nobody looks like a real person but only the black lady looks clownish.

Someone did a article on it.
Mr Popo all over again

The little mermaid in the live action movie will be played by a black woman. I wasn't surprised by some of the responses to this.

Curiosity forced me to take a look. I'll share the best.

Washington Post wrote:

The casting also received support from Jodi Benson, who voiced Ariel in the original animated film. When asked about a woman of color playing Ariel during an event in Florida over the weekend, Benson said Disney wants “to communicate with all of us in the audience so that we can fall in love with the film again.”

“The spirit of a character is what really matters,” she said. “What you bring to the table in a character as far as their heart and their spirit is what really counts.”

Benson added: “The most important thing for a film is to be able to tell a story. We need to be storytellers, no matter what we look like on the outside.”

Also.

@ZubyMusic wrote:

I'm offended by the casting of a woman of colour as Ariel.

They should have used an ACTUAL, real mermaid.

Sick and tired of this human privilege.

#NotMyAriel

Netflix has removed the suicide scene from 13 Reasons Why. I guess some people thought it glorified suicide. I heard about the show but haven't watched it. Seems about evenly split on people's opinions on it. Some people were saying it might cause people to suicide. Other people were saying the realistic nature of it would stop people from committing suicide.

This show also remove a shooting scene after one of the mass shootings in the US happen. I'm not sure which one. I heard people say it ruined the ending to one of the seasons.

I'm weirded out by any streaming-only show editing the content, but leaving that aside...

13 Reasons Why has been criticized from the get-go for ignoring every guideline for reporting on suicide, a topic which has been the subject of extensive research. The teenage target audience is particularly vulnerable to this, and the show doesn't depict the ways that you can get help for mental illness.

Some of the research results:

• More than 50 research studies worldwide have found that certain types of news coverage can increase the likelihood of suicide in vulnerable individuals. The magnitude of the increase is related to the amount, duration and prominence of coverage.

• Risk of additional suicides increases when the story explicitly describes the suicide method, uses dramatic/graphic headlines or images, and repeated/extensive coverage sensationalizes or glamorizes a death.

• Covering suicide carefully, even briefly, can change public misperceptions and correct myths, which can encourage those who are vulnerable or at risk to seek help

I'm sympathetic to the artistic challenges about creating content around difficult issues, and I'd hate to see us as a society close off avenues of expression. But as an artist, I also tend to take the position of First Do No Harm.

I do think part of the societal disconnect is that we're used to thinking of television as something safely encased on the other side of the screen. It can't get out and hurt you...but as we see here, the ideas can hurt you, in ways that we understand and know how to prevent. You don't want to turn it into an after-school special, but media producers should probably think about it in the same way that they should probably think about avoiding strobing flashes that can trigger epilepsy in some people. (Which is another area where streaming-only shows have occasionally failed.)

The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 800-273-TALK (8255) is a free, 24/7 service that can provide suicidal persons or those around them with support, information and local resources

They should just watch Heathers.

Teenage Suicide... Don't do it!

Gremlin wrote:

but media producers should probably think about it in the same way that they should probably think about avoiding strobing flashes that can trigger epilepsy in some people. (Which is another area where streaming-only shows have occasionally failed.)

Stranger Things had warnings about that in almost all of season 3 episodes.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Netflix has removed the suicide scene from 13 Reasons Why. I guess some people thought it glorified suicide. I heard about the show but haven't watched it. Seems about evenly split on people's opinions on it. Some people were saying it might cause people to suicide. Other people were saying the realistic nature of it would stop people from committing suicide.

This show also remove a shooting scene after one of the mass shootings in the US happen. I'm not sure which one. I heard people say it ruined the ending to one of the seasons.

I worked in a treatment center when that f*cking POS launched. Gremlin covered it nicely.

Sufficed to say graphic depictions / descriptions of violence and suicide and highly problematic for individuals struggling with personal safety.

For a little bit now cops have been using The Punisher's skull logo for their cause. Mostly racist pieces of crap as far as I can see. Anyway marvel and the punisher's creator has responded to this.
F the police.

In Punisher #13, out July 10, Frank Castle is cornered in an alleyway by uniformed cops who start gushing over their idol when they realize who he is. The officers even ask to take a selfie with Castle to share on their Punisher fan page.

Tearing a Punisher skull decal off their patrol car, Castle gives the officers a beat down and explains why they shouldn't worship him.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

For a little bit now cops have been using The Punisher's skull logo for their cause. Mostly racist pieces of crap as far as I can see. Anyway marvel and the punisher's creator has responded to this.
F the police.

In Punisher #13, out July 10, Frank Castle is cornered in an alleyway by uniformed cops who start gushing over their idol when they realize who he is. The officers even ask to take a selfie with Castle to share on their Punisher fan page.

Tearing a Punisher skull decal off their patrol car, Castle gives the officers a beat down and explains why they shouldn't worship him.

If I were Marvel I would have Frank go completely off the rails and just start brutally murdering corrupt cops with the help of revenge-minded civilians and criminals. (Bonus outrage points if they are refugees or stand-ins for MS-13.)

Really inflame it and make it ultrapolitical. Whether Marvel wants it or not, their vigilante symbol has taken on real meaning with violent white nationalism.

I would also sue the f*cking sh*t out of companies selling decals, patches, and gear with unlicensed copies of IP.

What the actual %@#$! Frank Castle is an apolitical anti-facist who defends trauma victims, and children. He actively works outside of law and order and against the judicial system because he lacks faith in their corrupt cores.

These jerk offs clearly fail to understand that they are the enemy whom Frank Castle would seek to punish.

It boggles my mind. I assume they have somehow blinkered The Punisher as a power fantasy for white America. Ugh! My brain!

RnRClown wrote:

Frank Castle is an apolitical anti-facist who defends trauma victims, and children. He actively works outside of law and order and against the judicial system because he lacks faith in their corrupt cores.

We have very different takes on what kind of person Castle is. This is certainly how he justifies his actions to himself, but really he's a sadist with just enough self control to (usually) aim himself at people that "deserve" it (which frequently include people only guilty of very minor crimes) and doesn't get choked up when he kills an innocent. He works against law and order not because he thinks it's corrupt, but because he thinks it's too lenient. With him, every criminal gets the death penalty, and there's no such thing as rehabilitation.

These jerk offs clearly fail to understand that they are the enemy whom Frank Castle would seek to punish.

I mostly agree with this, but I'd say he'd view them more as competition than enemies. Really, the crime he'd come after them for is merely trying to do what he does, or for "robbing" him of being the one to kill someone.

It boggles my mind. I assume they have somehow blinkered The Punisher as a power fantasy for white America. Ugh! My brain!

He is though, the problem is that the cops don't realize he's a condemnation of his mindset, not a role model.

Reaper81 wrote:

If I were Marvel I would have Frank go completely off the rails and just start brutally murdering corrupt cops with the help of revenge-minded civilians and criminals. (Bonus outrage points if they are refugees or stand-ins for MS-13.)

Really inflame it and make it ultrapolitical. Whether Marvel wants it or not, their vigilante symbol has taken on real meaning with violent white nationalism.

This was my thought as well. "Punisher Delivers Sternly Worded Lecture" is pretty weak sauce. Wanna make a point, have him go to Punisher-style war with the police. Have him say "In truth, you're just another gang" as a kiss-off line. "The problem isn't that you don't got far enough. The problem is you're part of the problem." I could go on.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

If I were Marvel I would have Frank go completely off the rails and just start brutally murdering corrupt cops with the help of revenge-minded civilians and criminals. (Bonus outrage points if they are refugees or stand-ins for MS-13.)

Really inflame it and make it ultrapolitical. Whether Marvel wants it or not, their vigilante symbol has taken on real meaning with violent white nationalism.

This was my thought as well. "Punisher Delivers Sternly Worded Lecture" is pretty weak sauce. Wanna make a point, have him go to Punisher-style war with the police. Have him say "In truth, you're just another gang" as a kiss-off line. "The problem isn't that you don't got far enough. The problem is you're part of the problem." I could go on.

It would be very satisfying to see him hunt down a cop that killed an unarmed black teen, as well as anyone in the precinct that covered for him or testified in his favor.

Stengah wrote:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

If I were Marvel I would have Frank go completely off the rails and just start brutally murdering corrupt cops with the help of revenge-minded civilians and criminals. (Bonus outrage points if they are refugees or stand-ins for MS-13.)

Really inflame it and make it ultrapolitical. Whether Marvel wants it or not, their vigilante symbol has taken on real meaning with violent white nationalism.

This was my thought as well. "Punisher Delivers Sternly Worded Lecture" is pretty weak sauce. Wanna make a point, have him go to Punisher-style war with the police. Have him say "In truth, you're just another gang" as a kiss-off line. "The problem isn't that you don't got far enough. The problem is you're part of the problem." I could go on.

It would be very satisfying to see him hunt down a cop that killed an unarmed black teen, as well as anyone in the precinct that covered for him or testified in his favor.

Which is exactly the short of socipathic logic Punisher is known for.

I don't understand why those sorts of cops aren't drawn to the Comedian. He's a state sanctioned killer that jokes about having assassinated JFK ffs.

They would be if the Comedian was a more popular character. He's only been in the one 12 issue series whereas Punisher has been in hundreds of issues spread out over dozens of series.

The new trailer for Cats.

I know this thread is about "Television, Cinema and Race" but I started this thread and JESUS H. CHRIST.

Got you covered:

Rat Boy wrote:

Got you covered:

It's hard to qualify the inherent wrongness of that trailer. It is... A Thing Which Should Not Be.