[Discussion] On Television, Cinema and Race

Thread for race issues in media.

Birth Of a Nation
This movie isn't do so good. I think this is because black people are tired of slave type movies, white people don't want the white guilt, and everybody else is turned off by the rape case. I mean this in general. This is just a perfect storm for the downfall of the movie.

Surviving Compton
Straight out of compton left out the ladies. This lifetime show means to correct that. I believe all of the production was done by women.

Mulan live.
All Chinese cast. Maybe the dumb choices of Gods of Egypt are over.

I'm trying to remember--wasn't April black in the original comics? I mean, they weren't in color, and Eastman & Laird weren't the very bestest artists, but... I thought her Afro was an indicator.

The original comics where all the turtles looked the same. In those she had some extremely different looks. Some she is clearly white and in others she could be black. The creators couldn't decide on a look for her and never gave her any real racial background besides her Irish last name.

Apparently kanye west went on a pro trump rant on SNL but it got cutoff. Parts of it was posted on instagram by Chris Rock and his music producer.

Supergirl will have the first trans superhero. I'm not sure if the character is trans gendered or just the actress. Super lady doing super things

Oh hey this is the lady that brought the bathroom case to court to allow transgendered people access to the bathroom for the gender they identified with. Seems like a hundred years ago.

On a different note it would be nice if trans people weren't regulated to only playing trans people on tv.

Watching survivor and seeing my black folks fighting is bringing me down. Nothing really to do about race though.

Megyn Kelly got fired for her blackface comments. This was just the latest racist thing she said.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Megyn Kelly got fired for her blackface comments. This was just the latest racist thing she said.

Good riddance

Fox apparently already turned her down. Maybe she'll take her ridiculous payout and just tread water until the trump network appears.

It would be kind of odd for fox to pick her up after the sexual harassment issues. Kind of odd that she would even want to get back with fox. Not like she needs to sacrifice her morals, what little she has, for a job.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Megyn Kelly got fired for her blackface comments. This was just the latest racist thing she said.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised that this is what sinks Megyn "Jesus Was White" Kelly, but works for me.

*Legion* wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

Megyn Kelly got fired for her blackface comments. This was just the latest racist thing she said.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised that this is what sinks Megyn "Jesus Was White" Kelly, but works for me.

If she were still at FOX, this would not have sunk her either.

I'm leaning towards the rumors that this was just the excuse since she was a ratings sinking ship.

Well, yeah. Apparently she had gone to NBC about her morning show and asked to transition from light stuff to more news and politics. `Then, within a week or so, she shows why she should never be the trusted with discussing real news.

NBC were idiots for even thinking she would work out. But she had become the the face of the resistance to Trump at FOX when she took him on at the debates. But NBC seemed to have not watched her act over the last several years, or thought she had changed.

Her Trump moment really did propel her. It was enough to get my wife to read her book. Unfortunately for Megyn, her book mostly revealed her to be a shallow, privileged white lady. But it did net her a $69 million contract with NBC.

The author of the twilight books didn't want people of color in the movies. The director tried to get some more diversity in it but the author was a no go.
Only white people can be vampires. Sorry Blade.

Only white people can be good vampires.

Black olives, indeed.

And Blade was only half Vampire

Baron Of Hell wrote:

The author of the twilight books didn't want people of color in the movies. The director tried to get some more diversity in it but the author was a no go.
Only white people can be vampires. Sorry Blade.

A Mormon with weird sexual and racial hangups? Now I've really seen everything!

How come no one has explored the fact that there is a monthly renewable, nonviolent source of fresh human blood available from almost half of the world’s population that we are currently just soaking up with tampons and throwing away.

Seth wrote:

How come no one has explored the fact that there is a monthly renewable, nonviolent source of fresh human blood available from almost half of the world’s population that we are currently just soaking up with tampons and throwing away.

Probably because uterine lining isn't blood.

I’m sure the fictional monsters will forgive my pedantic misstep. plus a simple google search confirms that menstruation does indeed include blood.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

The author of the twilight books didn't want people of color in the movies. The director tried to get some more diversity in it but the author was a no go.
Only white people can be vampires. Sorry Blade.

A Mormon with weird sexual and racial hangups? Now I've really seen everything!

Honestly, I thought that article was going to be a lot worse than it ended up being.

Meyer is a glorified fanfiction writer, not a brilliant creative mind, and it reads to me like she had a very specific mental image for these characters that she could not let go of.

It just read to me more like "I didn't imagine my precious characters that way", and not as much "vampires can't be black". Basically the same failure of imagination that defines everything she's done.

Granted, imagining only white characters in the first place is probably rooted in unconscious racial bias.

Ego Man wrote:

And Blade was only half Vampire

On the other hand, his mom was a full vampire.

*Legion* wrote:

It just read to me more like "I didn't imagine my precious characters that way", and not as much "vampires can't be black". Basically the same failure of imagination that defines everything she's done.

Granted, imagining only white characters in the first place is probably rooted in unconscious racial bias.

The racial hangups instilled in Meyer by her culture are not immediately recognizable overt toxicity, but much more on the DL, passive-aggressive, and, well, strange, with a lot of ironically enough respectability and a PR mindset mixed in. There's even a scriptural element which shocks a lot of people, including me when I saw over the shoulder that a girl I was misguidedly attempting to date had annotated a lengthy passage of her scripture with the footnote "Black People." I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but the imagining only white characters is far less unconscious and far more malign than it may be in other areas of the country.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

It just read to me more like "I didn't imagine my precious characters that way", and not as much "vampires can't be black". Basically the same failure of imagination that defines everything she's done.

Granted, imagining only white characters in the first place is probably rooted in unconscious racial bias.

The racial hangups instilled in Meyer by her culture are not immediately recognizable overt toxicity, but much more on the DL, passive-aggressive, and, well, strange, with a lot of ironically enough respectability and a PR mindset mixed in. There's even a scriptural element which shocks a lot of people, including me when I saw over the shoulder that a girl I was misguidedly attempting to date had annotated a lengthy passage of her scripture with the footnote "Black People." I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but the imagining only white characters is far less unconscious and far more malign than it may be in other areas of the country.

I'm sure there's a lot of unconscious racial bias going on there. After all, the LDS church famously changed its mind about black people in 1978; before then, people of African descent were second-class church citizens.

One of the actors on Empire was put into the hospital after being attacked on set by a couple of trump supporters. The actor plays a black gay character and is gay in real life. The FBI is currently looking into the attack.
Is American great again now?

Liam Neeson said he went around looking for black people to kill. One of his friends was raped which pissed him off. Note this happen like 40 years ago but Liam brought it up recently during a interview for his movie. So now a bunch of people hate him and a bunch of people forgive him. I don't know where I fall. I am less likely to see his movie. He did say he was ashamed on his actions. However, looking for random black people to kill is hard to forgive.

That'd be Ireland during The Troubles. Very intense time and place.

I think it's worth reading the original interview in the Independent (UK newspaper). Two extra points of cultural context.

There is a different character to Irish racism from American, it's bound up in sectarianism and religion. The in group and out groups are fuzzier. Then you have the fact there were very few people of colour in Ireland before the 1990s, not none but fewer. Ireland was a net emigration country and there was definitely an element of insular thinking in the people who stay,

Neeson grew up in the North where the police force, the RUC, was deeply involved in the Troubles. They didn't have a huge amount of capacity for normal police duties. As a result a huge amount of normal police work was left undone which paramilitaries filled with extra-legal "justice". In that world of pervasive violence, personal revenge starts to look more culturally acceptable.

News anchor says she was fired because of her natural hair.
Good hair?

Same thing happen to another lady a few months ago. I have notice how most news people have the same look and sound which I always found weird. Well the look, not the sound so much. The sound is to maximize the number of people that can understand you. A standard look is important as long as it is professional. You can look professional with natural hair.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Liam Neeson said he went around looking for black people to kill. One of his friends was raped which pissed him off. Note this happen like 40 years ago but Liam brought it up recently during a interview for his movie. So now a bunch of people hate him and a bunch of people forgive him. I don't know where I fall. I am less likely to see his movie. He did say he was ashamed on his actions. However, looking for random black people to kill is hard to forgive.

I thought Trevor Noah's take on this was worth listening to.