NHL 2016-2017

nihilo wrote:

I was looking at our predictions from the beginning of the year, and found that I was right on the mark:

Nihilo wrote:

First coach fired: Tortorella

Umm..

(I still say he's not a great coach. Bobrovsky just had a stellar year.)

Agreed. I also wonder how responsible he was for their terrific PP, usually it's the assistants that run teams

Looking back at my predictions makes me want to tug my collar, especially the Anaheim one. I didn't know we were going to be held accountable!

I had a flurry of interest in the Habs in June - they were in a real interesting position where bringing in new management and jump-starting the rebuild now would've made the inevitable less painful but that's passed now. Another missed opportunity while the window to actually contend continues to shut. Only 1 or 2 years left to do it.

I think the CBJ pp is interesting, probably the assistants did the planning, that's normal, but the player usage you have to give credit to Tortorella. Putting Gagne on his fourth line and also significant time on pp1 is definitely a new idea in the NHL. It paid off, have to give him credit.

But Jack Adams winner he is not. The Jack Adams award is pretty ridiculous anyway, look at the list of previous winners and how many were fired the next season.

I liked your Anaheim prediction, after having a close look at Carlyle for years, he clearly hurts rather than helps. But Anaheim is apparently just that good, they still did fine. Can't last though, right?

I kind of thought Bergevin was out this summer. It seemed possible, but he has hung on, and the Habs are treading water. What did you think of the Price contract? They were in a tough place I guess, Price needed to be paid, but it still seems like a lot. I'm actually less worried about the length of the contract - he'll be getting paid until he's 37, but when he starts to decline due to age he'll get an injury and just stay on LTIR indefinitely. Same as Pronger, Robidas, Lupul, I'm sure more. Teams are doing this without a problem right now.

nihilo wrote:

I kind of thought Bergevin was out this summer. It seemed possible, but he has hung on, and the Habs are treading water. What did you think of the Price contract? They were in a tough place I guess, Price needed to be paid, but it still seems like a lot. I'm actually less worried about the length of the contract - he'll be getting paid until he's 37, but when he starts to decline due to age he'll get an injury and just stay on LTIR indefinitely. Same as Pronger, Robidas, Lupul, I'm sure more. Teams are doing this without a problem right now.

I don't like the contract but I've never liked paying goalies. I wanted them to explore trading Price in 2012 but back then he was merely very good with draft pedigree instead of the elite goalie he's been the last few years. Price getting paid by the Habs was inevitable because his play is the entirety of Bergevin's job security. The team's window was ending after next season or the one after that with Price and then Pacioretty's value contracts expiring so I guess it doesn't really matter. With or without Price on big money it's hard to see them being anything other than mediocre with all the other holes to fill on the roster.

I continue not to be all that impressed with the moves the Leafs have made under Lamoriello's leadership. Maybe it's not just a Lou thing and Babcock's love for grinders is influencing the front office but it's hard not to think their management's taken a step back from the Shanahan-Dubas interregnum. Marleau's contract is structured decently (easily LTIR'd for that 3rd year) but he's really dropped off. As a passenger on Matthews' line instead of Zach Hyman (don't like that contract either) Marleau will be an upgrade but I think they should have done better. I also don't think Ron Hainsey's really what they needed on the right side of defense.

And Edmonton rushing to sign Kris Russell to that bad contract when Andrei Markov is still out there sitting in free agency and would have been the perfect short-term fit for them going for a Cup this year is killing me.

Roke wrote:

I continue not to be all that impressed with the moves the Leafs have made under Lamoriello's leadership. Maybe it's not just a Lou thing and Babcock's love for grinders is influencing the front office but it's hard not to think their management's taken a step back from the Shanahan-Dubas interregnum. Marleau's contract is structured decently (easily LTIR'd for that 3rd year) but he's really dropped off. As a passenger on Matthews' line instead of Zach Hyman (don't like that contract either) Marleau will be an upgrade but I think they should have done better. I also don't think Ron Hainsey's really what they needed on the right side of defense.

Agreed with most of that. Lou seems pretty mediocre so far, but part of it is he's giving Babcock what he wants. Babcock is a great coach but is inflexible on his player usage. He needs his fourth line center to fit a certain description (wins faceoffs, kills penalties), needs his third pairing d to be safe, conservative (and kill penalties), Babcock loves Zach Hyman. If Babs gets a guy that can't do what he wants, he gives him a rough ride and sidelines him (Corrado, Marincin - they're marginal players, but I don't feel they got their chance, not really). Lou sees things the same way, and my impression is the two of them are dominating the decision making.

Dubas was really interesting, really actually willing to try some new ideas, but Babcock and Lou are old school. That's a bit too simplistic, but it is my general feeling. (Babcock can be innovative in some ways and is really good at getting the most out of a roster.)

So Marleau? That deal was made with rose-coloured glasses, because while he's an upgrade on Hyman, he's past his prime and not worth 6 million. I was hoping after that deal that there was another one coming, maybe a trade of JVR for some much needed D depth, but that hasn't happened. Marleau will hopefully have a good year with Matthews, and Matthews will get more than 20 assists playing with someone who can finish.

Hainsey, though, that one made sense to me. He papers over a hole for Toronto for the moment, gives depth while not costing too much. He's a big upgrade over Polak and can play tougher minutes without getting snowed in too badly. The Leafs would be way better right now if they managed to get Hamonic, but my impression is they pushed hard to make that deal, so Hainsey is the stopgap.

One idea that I saw from Tyler Dellow that I really liked: put a big offer sheet on Colton Parayko. Just hand over the first round picks to St Louis, Parayko is a proven 1st pair D and can help us now. The Leafs are in a strange place with cap space to spend, but are also not far from contending. Dellow called it four lottery tickets for a lottery win - and barring disaster, the Leafs aren't going to have high first round picks, so this is rational. It's also way more bold and new than Lou is capable of pulling off. It was a fun dream..

I'll cut myself off before I completely flood this thread with Leafs talk. Toronto is in a really good place right now, despite Lou rather than because of him. I hope Dubas doesn't go anywhere and can take over as GM in the near future.

nihilo wrote:

One idea that I saw from Tyler Dellow that I really liked: put a big offer sheet on Colton Parayko. Just hand over the first round picks to St Louis, Parayko is a proven 1st pair D and can help us now. The Leafs are in a strange place with cap space to spend, but are also not far from contending. Dellow called it four lottery tickets for a lottery win - and barring disaster, the Leafs aren't going to have high first round picks, so this is rational. It's also way more bold and new than Lou is capable of pulling off. It was a fun dream..

That was a really great idea but with Perron getting claimed in the expansion draft and Pittsburgh inexplicably trading for Ryan Reaves St. Louis opened up the room to match or easily maneuver one more piece to match.

I thought the Leafs should have tried dangling Bozak+ for Jeff Petry. I think Petry's great and he could be the Habs' best defenseman but he doesn't fit in with the way the rest of the defense has been built, the Habs should have been desperate for a top-6 centre and aren't very smart. Bozak only being a year from UFA might have meant that a deal wasn't possible.

But if I were Toronto I would have given up more for Harmonic than Calgary did. Matthews and Marner have two years left on their ELC, Nylander has one. This year is probably your best shot at a Cup.

My biggest hope is that the Canucks are so embarassingly bad that management (Benning, Linden, and Weisbrod) are all fired before the year is up and Dubas is, somehow, brought in.

I think we need a new NHL thread but in the meantime - welcome back to Canada Jay & Dan!

the burke tie thing was funny but the whole dead air joke went on for way too long, 5-10 seconds of it would've made the same point.

Dysplastic wrote:

I think we need a new NHL thread but in the meantime - welcome back to Canada Jay & Dan!

The best around.

All these face-off violation calls are ridiculous.

Sens stomp Leafs 6-2! Chabot looked really good.. he's definitely NHL ready. Our D core needs some sorting, I fear that we won't be icing the best possible 6 just because of contracts.

Sadly, the forward situation is not looking as rosie with the injuries continuing to mount.

it's good to have hockey back

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