Westworld Catch-All - Spoilers Ahoy!

I appreciate that the show quickly breezed past "who is a Cylon?" stories and went straight to robo-insurrection.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

Could someone explain to me the entire subplot of Hosts leaking park information through antennas hidden in their arms.

Ford would never let any of the host software out of the park, which is counter to the common sense practice of having offsite backups. So for that reason, and because the board thought Ford might burn the whole place down if/when replaced, the board had Theresa smuggle the host data out of the park, beamed to a Delos satellite, as Elsie discovered. As the person in charge of QA, Theresa was in a perfect position to arrange beaming the data out.

In the end, it turned out Behavior was in fact more clever than QA (as they had been bragging the whole time), but unfortunately for Elsie, Ford was more clever than any of them. It is revealed in the episode where Bernard gets Ford to unblock his memories that Theresa wasn't the first person Ford had used Bernard to kill. He took out Elsie, and no doubt numerous other troublemakers over the years.

*Legion* wrote:

I appreciate that the show quickly breezed past "who is a Cylon?" stories and went straight to robo-insurrection.

Yeah, and there was even a bit of "All of this has happened before and will happen again" near the end, where they explain that this wasn't the first time that hosts had become self-aware.

*Legion* wrote:

I appreciate that the show quickly breezed past "who is a Cylon?" stories and went straight to robo-insurrection.

Remember, they supposedly have plotted out "five or six" seasons already. Hopefully there's a plan to keep all this making semi-sense over the long term.

Somehow, the T2 theme for 30 minutes actually isn't excessive.

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Rat Boy wrote:

Somehow, the T2 theme for 30 minutes actually isn't excessive.

If you haven't yet, check out the reissue of Brad Fiedel's score for the original Terminator, freshly remastered and released earlier this year after having been OOP for a long time.

I don't usually listen to "soundtracks" much, but this one works as an album.

Also, on the "nice little detail" front, I liked the grave bells on the crosses in a place where the 'dead' are 'waking up'.

Oh, yeah! I remember spotting that too, and thinking that it was a very nice detail. Totally forgot it in the later plotline, though.

Speaking of scores, the complete Soundtrack is out today on your favorite streaming services as well as the usual suspects such as iTunes, etc...

'Westworld’ Finale Hits Season High, Caps Most Watched First Season Of HBO Series

Last night’s 90-minute Season 1 finale of HBO’s sci-fi drama Westworld drew over 2.2 million viewers in its network premiere at 9 PM on the linear network, up 7% from last week and a series high. With replays and viewing on HBO Go/Now, the total Sunday night audience for the season closer rose to 3.6 million, up 5% from last week and also a series high, as viewing on HBO’s digital platforms more than doubled since Westworld premiered in October.

 
With an average of 12 million viewers across all platforms, Westworld now ranks as the most-watched first season of an HBO original series ever.

*Legion* wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Somehow, the T2 theme for 30 minutes actually isn't excessive.

If you haven't yet, check out the reissue of Brad Fiedel's score for the original Terminator, freshly remastered and released earlier this year after having been OOP for a long time.

I don't usually listen to "soundtracks" much, but this one works as an album.

Wow, thanks! All I got you in return was a loss in GWJFFL Division 2 in return.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:
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I figured Maeve was how The Board (or whoever) was going to get the information out so Ford couldn't threaten to kill the IP? That Maeve was a second attempt to leak out information after the antennas-in-arms attempt failed?

There's all that stuff about how Maeve thought she was breaking out of her own volition, and then Bernard tells her someone's messed with her code to make her think she thought up the idea of escaping. I understood her getting off the train and heading back into the Park as the point where she *actually* broke through into true, independent consciousness.

Spoiler:

I actually read that quite differently. Maeve was a red herring and her "escape" was a plan to occupy park security in order for Ford to let loose his robo-army. Because of that she was never really ever able to leave the park and goes back at the last second.

Re Maeve:

Spoiler:

I'm sure the bag she took on the train and then left on the train will be relevant.

I thought the whole multiple timelines theory was bunk, but credit where credit is due, you guys got it right.

*Legion* wrote:

I appreciate that the show quickly breezed past "who is a Cylon?" stories and went straight to robo-insurrection.

That can only go on for so long before losing the audience (like BSG did). Robo-insurrection was always going to be the destination of this show -- else why call it Westworld? I appreciate they didn't drag that out by not including it in 1st season at all.

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Why all the spoiler tags in this thread for stuff that isn't spoilers?

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Why all the spoiler tags in this thread for stuff that isn't spoilers?

Well, stuff from previews and speculation is technically supposed to be spoiler tagged. I don't know how great we've all done with that, but technically anything is fair game to not be spoiler tagged that has aired.

There's no reason speculation should be spoiler tagged.

I guess that was the Game of Thrones thread policy. I think people are just trying to be careful. Personally, given how the first season was written, I don't really care about speculation anymore, so I'd kinda rather it just be spoiler tagged so I don't have to see it.

I'm just trying to not get anyone pissed off. I don't like being spoiled, so I just figured I'd rather be safe than sorry, and everyone has different limits.

I've given up caring about seeing spoilers, but I know people are super serious about it, hence the tags.

As the author of the thread, I'm calling the shots:

Original post wrote:

This 10 episode series is a dark, dark show. Go watch it on HBO before reading the thread!

Now that all episodes have been aired, please feel free to discuss the entire show, and any future speculation, without spoiler tags.

maverickz wrote:

I'm just trying to not get anyone pissed off. I don't like being spoiled, so I just figured I'd rather be safe than sorry, and everyone has different limits.

Well you're pissing me off having to click all these spoiler tags for non-spoilers

I was spoiler-tagging stuff because they were implications that hadn't been instantly obvious to me. I wanted to give other people a chance to think their way through things if they were still letting them settle.

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What was the reason for the Dolores to kill everyone in that town those years ago, including Bernard?
I quite liked the season, in spite of the problems, but that one thing kinda didnt register to me. It was presented as if it was some kind of final step through the maze in a way. But it didnt make any sense to me, I 'm afraid.

(Bernard) Arnold thought that if he killed himself and destroyed all hosts, Ford wouldn't be able to rebuild them and continue the work, hence the park wouldn't open and the hosts wouldn't suffer at hands of humans. Those filthy animals.

But the hosts need to suffer to gain true consciousnesses!
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Edit: Name edited.

That was the human Arnold that ordered the murder on everyone not the host Bernard. Dolores and some of the other hosts were able to gain consciousness but not free will. But yeah the murders of humans and hosts was meant to get the park shut down.

slazev wrote:

Bernard thought that if he killed himself and destroyed all hosts, Ford wouldn't be able to rebuild them and continue the work, hence the park wouldn't open and the hosts wouldn't suffer at hands of humans. Those filthy animals.

Well, I think he believed he was saving them from eternal torment. I'm not sure why he didn't twig to the fact that they'd just all get repaired, though.

Malor wrote:
slazev wrote:

Bernard thought that if he killed himself and destroyed all hosts, Ford wouldn't be able to rebuild them and continue the work, hence the park wouldn't open and the hosts wouldn't suffer at hands of humans. Those filthy animals.

Well, I think he believed he was saving them from eternal torment. I'm not sure why he didn't twig to the fact that they'd just all get repaired, though.

It'd be really bad PR for the park if, just before opening, synths not only slaughtered each other, but also murdered a human being.

My guess is that Arnold didn't think they'd be able to cover it up, except they probably did. 35 years later almost none of the employees seem to know who Arnold was. If the manner of his death had become public, I'm thinking more people there would recognize his name.