[Discussion] Surveillance and the Police State

General observations on surveillance and accrual of police powers.

For what it's worth, a man in China got a traffic ticket for scratching his face - an AI surveillance system thought he looked like he was talking on a cell phone while driving and automatically took a photo and sent a ticket. If they're doing that, it's not unreasonable to assume they have plenty of capability for more.

(hopefully I am not repeating something already reported here)

Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals

Detective Maurice Ward, who's already pleaded guilty to corruption charges, testified that he and his partners were told to carry the replicas and BB guns "in case we accidentally hit somebody or got into a shootout, so we could plant them." The directive allegedly came from the team's sergeant, Wayne Jenkins, the Washington Post reports. Though Ward didn't say whether or not the tactic was ever used, Detective Marcus Taylor—another cop swept up in the scandal—was carrying a fake gun almost identical to his service weapon when he was arrested last year, according to the Sun.

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I'm very disappointed that this thread is only 5 pages deep. You guys still haven't woken up to what's going on yet?

I'll check back in another few years...

#1 - There are bigger fish to fry

#2 - Malor has taken a long break from P&C

So two of the major drivers of these threads (Malor and myself) just aren’t into it.

Well, with the El Paso terrorist attack, online surveillance of potential threats is a relevant issue. And if it was unseasonably hot in Texas at the time, I'm sure we could merge this thread with the gun control, Trump administration, and climate change threads together to make it easier on everyone.

93_confirmed wrote:

I'm very disappointed that this thread is only 5 pages deep. You guys still haven't woken up to what's going on yet?

I'll check back in another few years...

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JLENS-type ballons in the Midwest? Almost certain infiltration and corruption of our highest levels of government by enemy nation state actors? "Smart" devices covertly surveilling owners? The Area 51 fun run?

The ship has sailed. Massive surveillance hasn't hurt enough rich white people for anything to change. Maybe if we made white collar crime illegal again. But, for that to happen rich white people would have to change things, so...nope.

Turns out people will cheerfully sign away all their personal information, right down to daily habits, for a modicum of convenience. When people will let google listen to their conversations at home it’s not really shocking to me that they don’t give a sh*t about government surveillance. Not sure how to shove that genie back into the bottle.

Zona wrote:

Turns out people will cheerfully sign away all their personal information, right down to daily habits, for a modicum of convenience. When people will let google listen to their conversations at home it’s not really shocking to me that they don’t give a sh*t about government surveillance. Not sure how to shove that genie back into the bottle.

The government is going to listen in whenever it wants anyway, barring a violent revolution we're over half a century too late to stop that from happening. They would sit down the block and listen with a parabolic mic if they had too, but with the preponderance of voice recognition gadgets and how bad computers are at deciphering idioms and metaphor they'll have to sit through 10,000 hours of farting and old episodes of Stargate SGU whenever they want to listen in. Drown them in useless information, make them work for it.

If a state-level actor targets you they'll basically learn whatever they want.

Most people should be more concerned about getting caught up in a general dragnet and datamined, or targeted by a harassment mob that sends death threats, or just randomly getting shot by the police, no surveillance necessary.