[Discussion] Privilege and Racism

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A place to discuss issues surrounding racism, classism and privilege.

You ain't in the tribe don't claim it. It's not some nuanced rule.

Even just posting, now that I have stepped away I realize how me mentioning my background could be looked on as trying to curry favor for the argument or add some validation. I hope it's taken as I intended.. just trying to say 1st nation heritage is so much more then just DNA.

Fwiw that’s why I brought it up here. And while I recognize Warren didn’t use it directly to further her career, I’m not sure she should have claimed heritage without hard genealogical evidence, especially since many if not most White Americans have trace elements of Native American DNA.

But I also realize DNA evidence is tricky and family lore doesn’t always match up with the truth. For example, I took a test recently and came up 20 percent Scandinavian and 2 percent North African. None of those backgrounds are represented in my recent family histories (especially the African DNA).

@ Rave - I think your comments were very helpful.

Rave wrote:

Even just posting, now that I have stepped away I realize how me mentioning my background could be looked on as trying to curry favor for the argument or add some validation. I hope it's taken as I intended.. just trying to say 1st nation heritage is so much more then just DNA.

I felt you represented your perspective in a transparent manner.

Iowa. Blank Park Zoo. 2019.

A woman referred to my son as a chimpanzee.

I told her that referring to black children as chimps or monkeys is offensive. She said she didn’t know it was on the “no no list” and wishes she didn’t know.

The child with her asked what offensive meant. I told him mean, hurtful things you shouldn’t say.

And then I had to walk away.

Edit: my son is Black. I and everyone else in this story is white.

She. Didn’t. Know...?? Seriously? I call bullsh*t. She just felt empowered to be a racist piece of sh*t, and wishes you hadn’t called her out on it. I’m sure she made a tearful Vainbook post about how her beautiful day at the zoo was ruined by someone verbally abusing her.

Literally one of the most racist things you can say and slightly plausibly claim to not know how racist it is.

Addendum: I should mention that my wife (also white) talked to someone in zoo customers management as we left. She was as frustrated and as flabbergasted as we were

I'm so sorry that your son, you, and your wife had to experience such an incident. I'm only reading about it and I'm emotionally worked up. Kudos on the handling of the situation.

I wish I had something better to add. Flabbergasted. Outraged. Nothing quite covers it.

The New York Times has put together one heck of program that re-examines the legacy of slavery in America: The 1619 Project.

It was named such because August marks the 400th anniversary of the arrival of enslaved people to America. They were "20, and odd Negroes" stolen from the Portuguese slave ship São João Bautista by the English privateer, White Lion which the ship's captain sold to the governor of the British colony of Virginia for food.

The project includes ten essays, a photo essay, and poems and fiction written by 16 other authors. The vast majority of the contributors are African-American.

The core of the 1619 Project was published in the August 14th edition of The New York TImes Magazine. It's also available as a free downloadable PDF from the Pulitzer Center, which is also offering reading guides and other resources for teachers.

In addition to the essays, the NYT's is also publishing a same-named, multi-episode audio series hosted by Nikole Hannah-Jones.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Iowa. Blank Park Zoo. 2019.

A woman referred to my son as a chimpanzee.

I told her that referring to black children as chimps or monkeys is offensive. She said she didn’t know it was on the “no no list” and wishes she didn’t know.

The child with her asked what offensive meant. I told him mean, hurtful things you shouldn’t say.

And then I had to walk away.

Edit: my son is Black. I and everyone else in this story is white.

Edit 2: As requested--a picture of my family, so that we all know why this story is relevant here.

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/lXHCSya.jpg7)

That's a beautiful kid with a great smile you have there.

Over the last three days.

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/FM4Vq99.png)

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