I decided to just put a John Oliver clip in this thread and change the name and scope rather than start a separate thread for Oliver's stuff.
So just put any video stuff in here; Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Seth Green, etc.
I wonder if she asked Chat GPT to define "woke."
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OG_slinger wrote:... who unironically wrote that we all needed to befriend neo-Nazis to understand this.
Not going to click that link and kind of sad that there's a link to it here now.
It's a comedy clip about Richard Spencer.
Rezzy wrote:OG_slinger wrote:... who unironically wrote that we all needed to befriend neo-Nazis to understand this.
Not going to click that link and kind of sad that there's a link to it here now.
It's a comedy clip about Richard Spencer.
My quoted link is, yes. The original sends traffic to someone I can only assume is a Nazi.
My quoted link is, yes. The original sends traffic to someone I can only assume is a Nazi.
I didn't realize the link was changed. The original is an article from The (Jewish Daily) Forward that's all Pollyanna Kumbaya saying that if we befriend bigots, we can get them to change their minds.
Thankfully,
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I wonder if she asked Chat GPT to define "woke."
Okay, I had to do it.
It's also a pejorative used by conservatives to describe anything they don't like that occurred post 2010.
Mixolyde wrote:I wonder if she asked Chat GPT to define "woke."
Okay, I had to do it.
I think ChatGPT uses a database of information that goes up to the year 2021. I wonder if we added the past year+plus of discourse if it would have a similar definition.
Reminds me of when I first fooled around with ChatGPT I asked it to write a Seinfeld script where Elon Musk retweeted one of Kramer's tweets. Every iteration of the script it came out with painted Elon as a benevolent billionaire who they all hoped would help fund Kramer's idea that was in his tweet. Nothing about the current state of of Twitter with Elon.
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*he is getting a lot more "Michael Moore" all the time - ie angry at liberals so much he treats both sides as evil. Maybe he isn't wrong but the world sure isn't going to get better with him hating everyone.
Democrats have to be held accountable, too, otherwise they will also only listen to their corporate masters and their foolish belief that they have to move to "the middle" to win elections. We still end up with a failed Democracy, it's just slower than if Republicans are in charge.
What's frustrating is that Stewart and Moore are still absolute, lock step, dyed in the wool, profit driven, fundamental neoliberals. They are right to criticize liberals for the reasons Mixolyde says, but they shrink like violets when confronted with any solution more disruptive than "earn gotcha points with snarky videos." They are not heroes. They're whiners who profit from their whining.
In 2019 Jon Stewart was in Washington D.C. for months personally talking to members of congress and their aids to get a bill passed to help the sickest first responders of 9/11 at a time when the "never forget" crowd looked to be ready to forget those people. He was probably the main reason it got the votes to pass. That doesn't seem like someone who "shrinks like violets" when confronted with a hard solution.
In 2019 Jon Stewart was in Washington D.C. for months personally talking to members of congress and their aids to get a bill passed to help the sickest first responders of 9/11 at a time when the "never forget" crowd looked to be ready to forget those people. He was probably the main reason it got the votes to pass. That doesn't seem like someone who "shrinks like violets" when confronted with a hard solution.
I was going to mention this, too. More than once he has stood up for these people and helped gotten their medical benefits extended by using his celebrity to publicly shame congressmen, and did it well. He's not perfect, but he has done more than just talk and grift.
He’s also playing grab ass at round tables with the very men who are destroying the middle class. It’s the fundamental problem with their liberal ideology: shame doesn’t work on the shameless.
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In 2019 Jon Stewart was in Washington D.C. for months personally talking to members of congress and their aids to get a bill passed to help the sickest first responders of 9/11 at a time when the "never forget" crowd looked to be ready to forget those people. He was probably the main reason it got the votes to pass. That doesn't seem like someone who "shrinks like violets" when confronted with a hard solution.
NYC 9/11 first responders are his pet issue.
It's also the only issue he's used his celebrity to promote and push through to a political resolution (i.e., getting Congress to fund their continued health care).
He’s also playing grab ass at round tables with the very men who are destroying the middle class. It’s the fundamental problem with their liberal ideology: shame doesn’t work on the shameless.
Yeah, his thing was humorously pointing out the hypocrisy of Republicans. That worked for the Bush The Dumber era, but had much less impact during the Obama administration.
Importantly, he was off the air by the time of Trump when it became exceptionally clear that having a Black president severely broke the minds of a lot of White people. And by that point, like you said, pointing out the shameless behavior of Republicans no longer did anything because there were no more Republican moderates left to feel shame. It was all MAGA f*cks who'd happily eat sh*t if it meant a liberal would have to smell their breath.
Tscott wrote:In 2019 Jon Stewart was in Washington D.C. for months personally talking to members of congress and their aids to get a bill passed to help the sickest first responders of 9/11 at a time when the "never forget" crowd looked to be ready to forget those people. He was probably the main reason it got the votes to pass. That doesn't seem like someone who "shrinks like violets" when confronted with a hard solution.
NYC 9/11 first responders are his pet issue.
It's also the only issue he's used his celebrity to promote and push through to a political resolution (i.e., getting Congress to fund their continued health care).
A quick google search found a dozen or so other charities that he's also contributed to and/or been a part of raising awareness.
Of course, if I start listing them you can easily say he gave to the wrong ones, or that's not doing enough. But the truth is, neither of us are Jon Stewart and so that's not our call to make.
As far as first responders being his "only" issue to push through to a political resolution... that's because it's a very hard thing to do. How many issues does someone need to personally push through congress to be a good person?
I'm just giving my own opinion, because I think painting him as the liberal version of Tucker Carlson isn't right. I don't see him as just going on TV to talk to the liberals for profit, but really trying to point out the injustices in our country.
As you correctly note, the real issue is that one party has been highly resistant any and all compromise for the past 15 years or so (if not more). You point to the "MAGA f*cks"- but the Tea Party people were around from the start of Obamba's turn in office and did the same thing (It's just gotten increasingly dumber as the years have gone by). There's no good answer to combat this that is baked into our government, because our founding fathers didn't conceive of a situation where one party would just refuse to be reasonable.
There's no good answer to combat this that is baked into our government, because our founding fathers didn't conceive of a situation where one party would just refuse to be reasonable.
Our founding fathers didn't expect political parties to exist at all. Remember that the President and Vice President were supposed to be first choice and second choice for President, and thus not be in lockstep agreement on every issue. It wasn't until after Washington got re-elected that the first parties started to officially form (Federalist and Democratic-Republican), and we've gone downhill since then.
The founding fathers did a miserable job of designing presidential elections. It worked okay at first because everyone voted for Washington in the first two elections. After that the system fell apart.
Consider the original method: electors voted for 2 people and they couldn't specify if one was their presidential pick and the other their VP pick. In the 1800 election, the The Democratic-Republicans planned to pick Thomas Jefferson as president and Aaron Burr as vice-president by giving Burr 1 fewer votes. But somewhere they messed it up so Jefferson and Burr ended up with the same number of votes. Whoops!
So the election went to the House of Representatives where the reps voted thirty-six separate times! before Jefferson came out on top. And these were two people from the same party! This mess lead to the 12th amendment which made president and vice-president separate votes.
Buuuut they still left the method of picking electors up to the states. And soon after the states started creating general tickets where you vote for the candidate, not the electors. And so we're stuck with a dumb system that no one intended but will never get fixed.
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