discussion &news releases about ongoing event in New York's Chelsea neighborhood
New York explosion that injured 29 was 'intentional act,' mayor says
Certainly seems intentional from the description in that video, bah...
Not sure if we have members in Chelsea but hope you and yours are all staying safe if so.
Intentional but not terror-related. What a load of tripe. How is setting off bombs not an act of terrorism? Did I miss the memo that made the word "terror", "terrorist", and "terrorism" registered trademarks of Islam?
Intentional but not terror-related. What a load of tripe. How is setting off bombs not an act of terrorism? Did I miss the memo that made the word "terror", "terrorist", and "terrorism" registered trademarks of Islam?
I only saw that they're saying it's not related to any terrorist organizations, i.e., no one's claimed responsibility for it (yet). To be terrorism there has to be a political reason behind the attack, and so far there's no evidence of one.
Intentional but not terror-related. What a load of tripe. How is setting off bombs not an act of terrorism? Did I miss the memo that made the word "terror", "terrorist", and "terrorism" registered trademarks of Islam?
It was a KitchenAid pressure cooker so they assume a middle class white person was responsible
/s
sometimesdee wrote:Intentional but not terror-related. What a load of tripe. How is setting off bombs not an act of terrorism? Did I miss the memo that made the word "terror", "terrorist", and "terrorism" registered trademarks of Islam?
I only saw that they're saying it's not related to any terrorist organizations, i.e., no one's claimed responsibility for it (yet). To be terrorism there has to be a political reason behind the attack, and so far there's no evidence of one.
FWIW, DeBlasio said specifically "no link to terror", without including the word 'organization'.
It looks like Cuomo is now saying it is indeed terrorism, but not international terrorism.
I'm a little surprised we didn't have the usual big names in international terrorist organizations jumping in line to take credit (regardless of actual involvement or not).
Remarkably
All 29 victims of the blast have been released from hospitals, the governor says
, so that's something to be thankful for at least, seems no loss of life directly caused by this blast.
sometimesdee wrote:Intentional but not terror-related. What a load of tripe. How is setting off bombs not an act of terrorism? Did I miss the memo that made the word "terror", "terrorist", and "terrorism" registered trademarks of Islam?
It was a KitchenAid pressure cooker so they assume a middle class white person was responsible
/s
i.e., someone who can afford to be in Chelsea.
Bombings can also be the work of organized crime (Frank DeCicco, Bensonhurst), or assassins targeting an individual (Orlando Letelier, DC). They don't *have* to be terror actions, although lately, that's our expectation.
I'd say they're always terror(izing) actions, and only can be considered terrorist actions if the person setting them off had an ideological purpose for doing so. That's why the police and mayor of New York aren't ready to call it that yet, even if the Governor is.
Bombings can also be the work of organized crime (Frank DeCicco, Bensonhurst), or assassins targeting an individual (Orlando Letelier, DC). They don't *have* to be terror actions, although lately, that's our expectation.
What you mentioned seems to fit the following definition:
Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them.
Organized crime for economic purposes, and assassinations are usually for political purposes.
It sounds like they have an intact device so hopefully they can catch the perpetrators pretty quickly.
There is a possibility that the main aim of the bombs was to get a reaction out of the American electorate. That might be why they are being cautious and not, at this stage, calling them a terrorist act.
I'm seeing reports of arrests. Though it's still developing.
At this point, we really know zip about the motivations behind this. Presumably the FBI knows more that they aren't saying, but I haven't seen any definitive statements about the why behind these bombings.
I expect that'll change shortly, but other than a 4chan hoax I haven't even seen much speculation. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong spot, though.
Bombings can also be the work of organized crime (Frank DeCicco, Bensonhurst), or assassins targeting an individual (Orlando Letelier, DC). They don't *have* to be terror actions, although lately, that's our expectation.
Occasionally also the work of security services worried about funding cuts.
They found a few bombs at a station on my train line :(. If nothing else, this commute in will be pretty bad.
oof, stay safe Jersey Folks
They found a few bombs at a station on my train line :(. If nothing else, this commute in will be pretty bad.
I didn't know you were in NJ! I assume you're talking about the backpack in Elizabeth... that's especially scary because there are a lot of oil refineries or whatever. I could see these small devices being a decoy fir something bigger. I hope I'm wrong.
Edit: and yes, stay safe, all of you.
Whoever the suitcase thieves are, I salute you!
I am very glad no one was killed, I am very sad that someone feels this is the best/only way to affect change in the world, and I am just pissed he is Muslim - because this will just add fuel to the wave of hate and make trumists feel even more righteous.
Edit: nit has successfully been picked
You are correct, and I am wrong.
However I very, very, very much doubt that distinction will halt the calls for ending immigration for refugees, or expanded surveillance of Muslims, etc. It will be another data point to show how "they" are evil and must be defeated.
Given the number of Sikhs; Armenian, Arabian, and Syrian Christians; and other non-Muslim people who have been brutally assaulted over the past fifteen years by people who mistook them for Arabic Muslims, I don't know that anyone is going to care what his ethnicity actually is. (Trump certainly won't.) At one point I'd have said that at least the current government officials probably know the difference, but they apparently have trouble understanding the difference between Sunni and Shiite beliefs, so who knows any more.
Yeah; not arguing with the central thrust of your post, farley, just pointing out the error of geography 
Whoever the suitcase thieves are, I salute you!
No one would have stolen that suitcase in France or Belgium, yeah.
Part of me wants to be impressed by the suitcase thieves, but at the same time, that article kind of makes it sound like they found a bomb and put it somewhere else... so they may have saved lives, but they probably could have accomplished the same thing by like... calling the cops?
Apparently there was a second set of thieves who discovered a bomb in a backpack in New Jersey, and who did call the cops.
Also Ahmad Rahami's been caught, after a shootout.
Part of me wants to be impressed by the suitcase thieves, but at the same time, that article kind of makes it sound like they found a bomb and put it somewhere else... so they may have saved lives, but they probably could have accomplished the same thing by like... calling the cops?
You're right. I had thought they'd stolen the suitcase AND called the cops.
Apparently there was a second set of thieves who discovered a bomb in a backpack in New Jersey, and who did call the cops.
Also Ahmad Rahami's been caught, after a shootout.
Good news.
Interesting how "thieves" turned into homeless folks investigating abandoned luggage... And two of them actually called police about the bomb rather than walking away. They deserve better than the label of "thief".
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