[News] What's Trump Done This Time, part 2

The continuation of the thread chronicling Trump's gaffes, faux pas, and other face palm-worthy antics. Light discussion welcome.

CONTENT WARNING: This thread regularly contains vulgar language, as well as depictions of racism, sexism, and sexual assault, among other potential triggers.

“No ifs, ands or ways about it.”

Alien detected.

Trump Proposes Reinstating Stop And Frisk At Event Aimed At Black Voters

*His white fans will love it.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump thinks the best way to stop crime in black communities is to broaden the use of stop and frisk, a policing tactic that has been proven to be discriminatory against blacks and Latinos.

In an excerpt from a Fox News town hall billed as a “meeting on African-American concerns” and scheduled to air Wednesday night, Trump was asked how he would address “black-on-black crime.”

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Trump replied that he “would do stop and frisk,” a practice heavily championed by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who is now a prominent Trump supporter.

The GOP nominee claimed that “in New York City, it was so incredible the way it worked.” However, the practice as it was used there has been widely condemned due to its disproportionate targeting of black and Latino communities and little effect on reducing crime.

In 2013, a federal judge ruled the practice was unconstitutional in New York, calling it a “policy of indirect racial profiling” because the New York City Police Department disproportionately targeted black and Latino men during routine traffic stops. In her ruling, Judge Shira Scheindlin wrote that stop and frisk was “a demeaning and humiliating experience” for communities of color.

“No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life,” she wrote.

Later that year, an investigation by the New York state attorney general found that only 3 percent of traffic stops “led to guilty pleas or convictions at trial” and only 0.1 percent were for violent crimes.

So, money he "never received" (ie: not claimed as income) is used as a "charitable contribution" to be used as a tax deduction - is perfectly logical (to Trump/Trump staff)?

Wow. I've been doing my taxes ALL WRONG.

He's down with OPM!

sometimesdee wrote:

He's down with OPM!

Yeah you know him

Dear white audience members, repeat after me, black on black crime is investigated, people are charged, people go to jail when they're found to have done something bad.

Black on black crime is certainly a problem, but it has nothing to do with systemic inequality in law enforcement and the lack of repercussions for officers not following the law.

All crime matters.

Tanglebones wrote:

More on the Trump Foundation:
Trump Life

Lynne Patton, a senior assistant to three of Trump’s adult children and the vice president of son Eric Trump’s charitable foundation, told The Des Moines Register that some donations to the Donald J. Trump Foundation should be recognized as contributions from Trump himself because in some cases that money would have been paid to Trump directly.
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“A lot of times Mr. Trump will give a speech somewhere or he’ll raise money in some way and he asks that that entity, instead of cutting a personal check to him, cut it to his charity,” Patton said. “That’s money that otherwise would’ve been in his personal account, right?”
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“So when he cuts a check from his foundation for let’s say, St. Jude, it is his money,” she added. “No ifs, ands or ways about it.”

Wow, someone is going to get a stern talking-to.

Demosthenes wrote:

Black on black crime is certainly a problem

Even this is wrong, unless you simply mean "crime is a problem." The majority of violent crimes are committed against people of the same race. There is no statistical evidence that black on black crime is worse than white on white crime, for example. The entire concept, from top to bottom, is flawed and racist.

Seth wrote:

All crime matters.

Heh.

I actually realized the weird similarities between what I'm saying and "All Lives Matter" as I was typing it and almost tried to pre-preemptively explain it, but f*ck it, racists can't handle nuance anyway so why bother.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

More on the Trump Foundation:
Trump Life

Lynne Patton, a senior assistant to three of Trump’s adult children and the vice president of son Eric Trump’s charitable foundation, told The Des Moines Register that some donations to the Donald J. Trump Foundation should be recognized as contributions from Trump himself because in some cases that money would have been paid to Trump directly.
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“A lot of times Mr. Trump will give a speech somewhere or he’ll raise money in some way and he asks that that entity, instead of cutting a personal check to him, cut it to his charity,” Patton said. “That’s money that otherwise would’ve been in his personal account, right?”
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“So when he cuts a check from his foundation for let’s say, St. Jude, it is his money,” she added. “No ifs, ands or ways about it.”

Wow, someone is going to get a stern talking-to.

I wonder if that's why he's being audited; maybe he tried deducting all those contributions his foundation made on his personal returns...

sometimesdee wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

More on the Trump Foundation:
Trump Life

Lynne Patton, a senior assistant to three of Trump’s adult children and the vice president of son Eric Trump’s charitable foundation, told The Des Moines Register that some donations to the Donald J. Trump Foundation should be recognized as contributions from Trump himself because in some cases that money would have been paid to Trump directly.
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“A lot of times Mr. Trump will give a speech somewhere or he’ll raise money in some way and he asks that that entity, instead of cutting a personal check to him, cut it to his charity,” Patton said. “That’s money that otherwise would’ve been in his personal account, right?”
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“So when he cuts a check from his foundation for let’s say, St. Jude, it is his money,” she added. “No ifs, ands or ways about it.”

Wow, someone is going to get a stern talking-to.

I wonder if that's why he's being audited; maybe he tried deducting all those contributions his foundation made on his personal returns...

Or that he using his foundation to launder some portion of his income.

Trump Ohio County Campaign Chair Resigns After Racist Comments

“If you’re black and you haven’t been successful in the last 50 years, it’s your own fault. You’ve had every opportunity, it was given to you.”

I can see that the comments were racist but I am willing to bet that 99.9% of trumpists agree with her.

While also a racist comment, it is most of all an ignorant comment. It would be (nearly) as sad if it was said about anyone else struggling to move up the social ladder, including a bunch of the white people voting for Trump.

Why is it that (a lot of ) successful people always believe they got to the top through their own hard work only (though they never did) , while looking down on everyone else for not being able to improve their situation despite all the handouts, which is apparently being given to everyone.

Shadout wrote:

Why is it that (a lot of ) successful people always believe they got to the top through their own hard work only (though they never did) , while looking down on everyone else for not being able to improve their situation despite all the handouts, which is apparently being given to everyone.

Privilege.

Shadout wrote:

Why is it that (a lot of ) successful people always believe they got to the top through their own hard work only (though they never did) , while looking down on everyone else for not being able to improve their situation despite all the handouts, which is apparently being given to everyone.

Partially https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin..., partially lies told to them by society and media, but mostly just assuming that they way they are treated is not only the way that everyone should be treated, but also how everyone would be treated unless they do something to deserve otherwise. They don't see themselves as always getting preferential treatment, or the getting the benefit of the doubt. They see themselves as giving and receiving what should be everyone's behavior to everyone else by default. They're just blissfully unaware of how the world actually works for most people.

Edit: In a word, gravey-hausered.

Garrcia wrote:

Or that he using his foundation to launder some portion of his income.

The IRS doesn't care much about that, as long as they get their cut of the proceeds.

Gravey wrote:
Shadout wrote:

Why is it that (a lot of ) successful people always believe they got to the top through their own hard work only (though they never did) , while looking down on everyone else for not being able to improve their situation despite all the handouts, which is apparently being given to everyone.

Privilege.

I love this comic a little more every time I see it.

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Thanks for the answers (even if the question was rhetorical), and yeah, the comic is great, though it is so black and white that it might be too easy to dismiss for the privileged. Even if Paula managed to go against the tide and ended up the successful one, she too would be wrong to claim that she did it all by herself - or to expect that if others couldn't do what she had done, they deserved to fail.
Plenty of those who have become privileged, really did start out unprivileged and fought their way up, and deserve praise for doing so, but no mater how well earned it might be, it doesn't excuse them if they then become blinded by their own new status in the process.

NathanialG wrote:

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God. Damn.

That is wonderful.

That is awesome.
Internet, would you kindly do your job and drown social media in that for a few days.
And then kick Trump(s) with it forever after.

Best thing I've read today.

Gravey wrote:
Shadout wrote:

Why is it that (a lot of ) successful people always believe they got to the top through their own hard work only (though they never did) , while looking down on everyone else for not being able to improve their situation despite all the handouts, which is apparently being given to everyone.

Privilege.

Even when it's made clearthat the game was rigged in your favor, you tend to attribute your success to nothing but hard work.

A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is racist"

A pretty amazing, and almost certainly limited list of links on reddit.

Tanglebones wrote:

A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is racist"

A pretty amazing, and almost certainly limited list of links on reddit.

And it's not even complete, because it's over a month old. Trump supports a national version of NYC's racist and unconstitutional stop-and-frisk program.

sometimesdee wrote:
Garrcia wrote:

Or that he using his foundation to launder some portion of his income.

The IRS doesn't care much about that, as long as they get their cut of the proceeds.

Counter point

Step1 - speaking fees are donated to not for profit "charitable foundation"

Step2 - said foundation supports charitable acts like paying for unrelated legal issues for its namesake, ie Trump never owns the money paid to him and spent by him

Step3 - refuse to release tax forms lest the campaign get sidetracked over minor issues like arranging to have what is effectively a low to no tax slush fund

Garrcia wrote:

Step3 - refuse to release tax forms lest the campaign get sidetracked over minor issues like arranging to have what is effectively a low to no tax slush fund

If Global Warming were real, than rich people wouldn't have no-tax slush funds!

Then they should also be auditing the foundation.

I'm pretty attached to my life, to be honest guys.

Garrcia wrote:
sometimesdee wrote:
Garrcia wrote:

Or that he using his foundation to launder some portion of his income.

The IRS doesn't care much about that, as long as they get their cut of the proceeds.

Counter point

Step1 - speaking fees are donated to not for profit "charitable foundation"

Step2 - said foundation supports charitable acts like paying for unrelated legal issues for its namesake, ie Trump never owns the money paid to him and spent by him

Step3 - refuse to release tax forms lest the campaign get sidetracked over minor issues like arranging to have what is effectively a low to no tax slush fund

The IRS rules governing 501(c)(3) charities like the Donald J. Trump Foundation are explicit when it comes to the private inurement doctrine: no part of a charity's activities or its net earnings can unfairly benefit any director, officer, or any private individual.

Using foundation donations to pay Trump's legal bills is a big no-no and could result in his charity getting its tax-exempt status yanked, at a minimum.