[Discussion] Trans Issues and Rights

This thread is for the discussion of current events relating to trans rights, for discussion of the lives of trans people and difficulties they face, and for basic questions about the lives and experiences of trans people. (If basic questions become dominant we'll look at making a Q&A thread at that time.)

She's the second out trans state legislator in the U.S., after Althea Garrison (who was outed involuntarily after being elected.)

I firmly believe it was her door-to-door campaigning that got her elected.

Wow, 54% to 48% too, she beat him but good.

E: Bob Marshall, the now outgoing delegate, was the one who introduced Virginia's failed bathroom bill, sponsored the state's anti-marriage equality amendment, proposed a bill to ban gay people from serving in the Virginia National Guard, and more or less attacked Danica Roem for being trans throughout the campaign, while refusing to ever debate her.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

"There won't be discriminatory legislation coming out of the 13th district... I'm going to be a champion for equality," she added, noting that she has nothing negative to say about Marshall. "He'll be one of my constituents and I'm not going to attack my constituents," Roem said.

#thatshowyouthrowshade

It’ll be interesting (and in my guess, predictable) to see how visciously Marshall attacks her, probably starting with mis-gendering.

I can't imagine he hasn't already been doing that though, right?

True.

Oh he was doing it throughout the campaign. Why stop now?

Not my district of VA, but yeah!

His sister just threw some serious Karma shade at her brother for his loss.

Demosthenes wrote:

His sister just threw some serious Karma shade at her brother for his loss.

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Wow.

that's going to be an awkward thanksgiving dinner

The guy literally called himself Virginia's "chief homophobe". I fear he's lost to reason.

new Scot Gov gender related plans including revamping gender recognition procedures and legal recognition for non binary people.

People wishing to legally change their gender may be able to do so by signing a statutory declaration from the age of 16 under plans to radically reform gender recognition law in Scotland.

This is VERY good. I've still not been able to do this..as the article states ,the current system is a bit of a mess, to say the least.

The proposals include the option of full legal recognition for non-binary people – those who do not identify as either male or female – which would make Scotland one of a handful of countries to do so. The plans follow a ruling by Germany’s highest constitutional court on Wednesday that birth certificates should allow a third gender category.
On Thursday, a coalition of Scottish women’s organisations, including Engender, Rape Crisis Scotland and Women 50:50, stated that they would collaborate with trans and other equality organisations to ensure that the new processes were appropriately designed.

In a jointly issued statement in support of legal reform for gender recognition, they added: “We do not regard trans equality and women’s equality to be in competition or contradiction with each other. We support the Equal Recognition campaign and welcome the reform of the Gender Recognition Act. Rape Crisis and Women’s Aid in Scotland provide trans inclusive services on the basis of self identification.”

I saw this in the news yesterday, that’s awesome!! Hope the legal reform goes through swiftly!

Good on the Scots! Glad to hear this.

I feel like I may have asked this before, if so I apologize that I can't recall the answer; are there any games beyond simple flash games that handle trans* issues in a positive light or at least a safe light yet?

krev82 wrote:

I feel like I may have asked this before, if so I apologize that I can't recall the answer; are there any games beyond simple flash games that handle trans* issues in a positive light or at least a safe light yet?

Dream Daddy comes to mind.

Hit by “Trans-Friendly” Fire
When they interviewed me and my young trans daughter, both reporters seemed sympathetic to us and claimed to be trans-friendly. So why did they turn around and write such transphobic articles?
(gendermom, 2017-11-21)

Over the course of the summer, I was contacted by two young journalists. One wrote for an alternative American weekly newspaper, the other for a venerable British magazine. Both wanted to interview me about my experience as the mother of a young transgender child. They were respectful and sympathetic. One of them even Skyped at length with my 9-year-old daughter. (“How do you want your body to look when you grow up?” “I want really long hair!”)

When their respective articles appeared, the first one in June and the second earlier this fall, I felt sick and saw red. I also felt like the world’s biggest rube, having chattily handed over my daughter’s story to those whose intention was to debate her very existence.

Thanks for sharing that story, Hypatian. For almost unfathomable reasons it deserves to be the trending piece for a time.

It also struck a chord for me, personally, in that it highlights many absurdities now that would not have been then. They would have been outside of my comprehension. Literally. I was one who would have been swayed by the propaganda touched upon.

According to Serano, these pieces are all rooted in “trans-suspicion.” Written by self-described “trans-friendly” pundits (invariably cisgender), they begin with expressions of surprise at the apparent sharp rise in the number of trans people compared to the past. (They’re everywhere now!) Not being trans themselves nor particularly familiar with trans issues, these writers are unaware of the true extent of the powerful forces that kept transgender people completely invisible in the past, and…they become suspicious, “worried that this rise in transgender people is actually due to people who are not ‘really trans’ (i.e., cisgender people) being inappropriately swayed or recruited into trans identities and gender transition.”

As Serano points out, by suggesting that a transgender identity might actually represent a nifty, cultish kind of thing one could sort of “slip into,” like Scientology or Crossfit, the “trans-suspicious” position simultaneously trivializes trans identities (You can put it on and take it off, like last season’s jeans!) and makes light of the crushing discrimination trans people actually face. (If it’s really so bad, how are they luring so many people in?)

It's embarrassing and shameful to admit. Alas, it's true, nonetheless. Media misrepresentation across many mediums, in tandem with never having met, known, spoken with, or even heard tale of a transgender individual, gave weight to these awful portrayals, and the discriminatory comments they fueled. And so too these nonsense pieces about the rise in visibility, and the risk of mistaken transitioning. (I partook in an actual real life face palm just now.)

Anyway. Moving on. I came back from that brink. Not that I'm looking for plaudits or a medal. It's to show that it is possible. Having transgender individual's share their stories, and just be in the same space doing the same things, can shatter misconceptions and reveal a path to actual knowledge.

I'm not sure if much heart can be taken from that amongst the waves of discrimination. I was thinking maybe there was worth to showing that change is possible in the face of such nonsense. What to do about those who simply hate in the face of knowledge, I wish I knew.

Again, such a good read. Thank you to the author for taking the time, for likely the umpteenth time. It's worth it. It's always worth it.

Oh my gosh, that’s absolutely horrifying.

krev82 wrote:

I feel like I may have asked this before, if so I apologize that I can't recall the answer; are there any games beyond simple flash games that handle trans* issues in a positive light or at least a safe light yet?

To clarify, we talking like games that are about the trans experience as a focus or games that include some form of trans experience?

If the latter, I'd say Krem in Dragon Age: Inquisition is pretty good. Cole's interactions with Iron Bull discussing Krem while out in the field are especially good. But, it also lacks the option to... I'm not sure what word I'm looking for here, so I'll say when he describes his experience, your character can't say that you've felt the same way.

I’m an atheist and I am a member of a Unitarian Universalist Church. We had a family join us last Sunday for the first time. One of the parents is a transgender person. I got a chance to welcome her and her family to our church. I hope they come back.

Every night I tell my 10-year-old son a science fact at bedtime. Last night he asked specfically (which he's never done before) about transgender folk, sort of a "what's the deal" question. It was an interesting discussion. I focused on the gender aspect, leaving aside questions of sexuality, that your body parts don't necessarily dictate how you see yourself, and that some people feel inside different than what they look like on the outside. We talked about how that can be really hard, especially when other people treat you as they see you, not as you see yourself. We talked about some of the things that transgender people do to accomodate their feelings - clothes, hairstyles, hormones, surgery. We ended with a pretty firm agreement that you treat people as they want to be treated, not as you think they should be treated. If somebody "looks" one gender and tells you they are a different gender, you go with what they tell you, because that's their business. (He agreed pretty emphatically with that one; I like that he thinks it absurd that there is any other way to go.)

I think that's all the high points. Did I miss anything substantial for a Trans* 101 talk?

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Every night I tell my 10-year-old son a science fact at bedtime. Last night he asked specfically (which he's never done before) about transgender folk, sort of a "what's the deal" question. It was an interesting discussion. I focused on the gender aspect, leaving aside questions of sexuality, that your body parts don't necessarily dictate how you see yourself, and that some people feel inside different than what they look like on the outside. We talked about how that can be really hard, especially when other people treat you as they see you, not as you see yourself. We talked about some of the things that transgender people do to accomodate their feelings - clothes, hairstyles, hormones, surgery. We ended with a pretty firm agreement that you treat people as they want to be treated, not as you think they should be treated. If somebody "looks" one gender and tells you they are a different gender, you go with what they tell you, because that's their business. (He agreed pretty emphatically with that one; I like that he thinks it absurd that there is any other way to go.)

I think that's all the high points. Did I miss anything substantial for a Trans* 101 talk?

I shared this with my trans son, my wife, and friends at Thanksgiving dinner. You're a good dad who is raising his kid to be a good human being, Chumpy. You're teaching the core, which irrespective of specifics should apply to how we treat other people. Everyone deserves to discover and be their most true, genuine self whatever that looks like. How do we truly deal with ourselves and grow any other way?

Republican's have abolished gender in the Virginia House of Delegates! ...

....so that they don't have to refer to Danica Roem as a woman.....

They're complete sh*theads, and I don't want anyone to forget that, but I do enjoy the idea of conservatives adopting gender-neutral terminology to spite liberals.

That makes so much sense.

“We’ll do the right thing for the wrong reason and you can’t stop us!”

For now it’s a start.

muraii wrote:

“We’ll do the right thing for the wrong reason and you can’t stop us!”

For now it’s a start.

Nope, not good enough. But doing that, they’re deliberately refusing to recognize as she is. I don’t think we can settle for this ludicrous workaround.