[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

brb, buying drones.

My brilliant plan of sleeping in the heat of the day was working okay until the high was 111 and it was still 106 when I woke up…

I've been camping in the Nevada desert when it hit ~118 degrees. It's impossible to do anything. You just lay in the shade and drink water. Any sort of physical activity was a chore and you moved at 1/4 speed, I cannot imagine a pilgrimage in that kind of heat.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

All I can think about these efforts to artificially limit the sun's impact (see also: space solar shade) is that if implemented, they will be weaponized. There will be cold and eventually hot wars fought over who controls them, and the "winner" will use such technologies to benefit themselves at the expense of others.

Ha maybe sooner than I expected. Climate engineering off US coast could increase heatwaves in Europe, study finds

A geoengineering technique designed to reduce high temperatures in California could inadvertently intensify heatwaves in Europe, according to a study that models the unintended consequences of regional tinkering with a changing climate.

The paper shows that targeted interventions to lower temperature in one area for one season might bring temporary benefits to some populations, but this has to be set against potentially negative side-effects in other parts of the world and shifting degrees of effectiveness over time.

This seems wrong on a few levels.

It's an unfair competitive advantage
It completely ignores climate change and the impact humans have on it.
I wonder if the power grid will be able to support it.

EUGENE, Ore. (AP) — The U.S. Olympic team is one of a handful that will supply air conditioners for their athletes at the Paris Games in a move that undercuts organizers’ plans to cut carbon emissions.

U.S. Olympic and Paralympic CEO Sarah Hirshland said Friday that while the U.S. team appreciates efforts aimed at sustainability, the federation would be supplying AC units for what is typically the largest contingent of athletes at the Summer Games.

The average high in Paris on Aug. 1 is 26 degrees Celsius (79 degrees Fahrenheit). The objective is to keep the rooms between 23-26 degrees (73-79 degrees Fahrenheit). The rooms will also be equipped with fans.

Yep everyone wants something done about climate change, until it comes time for themselves to actually change or sacrifice something.

Zero issue with providing athletes a/c in the summer. Y'all uninstalling your heat pumps at home?

We know this problem cannot be solved by throwing your Sprite cans into the recycling bin daily.

This is an aside, but it is.... uh... curious, that Al Jazeera's YouTube page hasn't said a word about this disaster. There's one video from 5 days ago that's a more general piece that mentions the heat, but nothing since.

Well, burning forests because of parties certainly doesn't help.

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Big Oil:

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Oh this is just dandy.

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Arizona already has water problems. The last thing Arizona needs is an AI data center slurping up tons and tons of water.

Yeah, they already have Intel’s chip plants to do that! Get your own state!

I keep telling people, if you want land you can pass down to your kids in a livable condition, avoid the SouthWest...

Robear wrote:

I keep telling people, if you want land you can pass down to your kids in a livable condition, avoid the SouthWest...

Nah I'm sure when elected to his second term Trump will have the Mississippi River diverted to supply water to his supporters.

TBH I have long made the same assessment for most of the southern tier of states, especially the big cities. One of my friends and I had this discussion about 2 years ago; he moved from NM, I think, to Minnesota (for family reasons, not because of our talk, but he did keep it in mind).

He said the differences in what Minn was, and is now, are quite noticeable, but entirely livable, and he's pretty horrified with what is going on in the SW, so he's happy he made this choice. Anecdotal in the extreme, but he's lived it and I trust his judgement.

All these people retiring down there, and in Florida, the Gulf Coast, etc, are going to end up leaving uninsurable, devalued and possibly unlivable property to their heirs. And the heirs are going to be *livid*. (The Boomers and Xs who do this will be, you know, dead, mostly of old age.)

I keep thinking of this Sam Kinison clip only applying it to water instead of food.

It's not just the SW.

Here in the Pacific NW, it's rains a bunch so we're fine, right? Right?

Problem is, all that rain ends up as snowpack in the mountains. That snowpack melts over the year and keeps our rivers full, which not only provides our water but also a significant portion of our electricity via hydro.

And that snowpack is dwindling, year on year. At some point in the not too distant future, it'll be insufficient to keep us in fresh water AND electricity, for a double-whammy.

Nah I'm sure when elected to his second term Trump, with a sharpie,will have the Mississippi River diverted to supply water to his supporters.

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Definitely, Jonman, but the dry Western plains, the Wheat Belt, the Gulf and Eastern Seaboards, those are gonna see it first and hardest. Big caveat, though - the places you might like to retreat to will also see changes in the threats they face. Vermont, while it will see bigger temperature changes in the northern counties, will become more liveable temperature-wise, but it's already seeing a big increase in flooding because of all the mountains. It's going to be a choice - well, it *is* a choice - of fast or slow disasters.

This is interesting, but someone in the comments mentions, they miss the truly important thing, humidity.

You can escape heat, but you can't escape humidity. 29c with low humidity vs 29c at high humidity is a huge difference. You can stand in the shade doing nothing and still sweat like a pig.

Pigs don't have sweat glands.

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Heat + humidity is fatal at temperatures that are much lower than you'd think. It's measured by wet bulb temperature and means that your body cannot shed heat through sweating. 95 °F (35 °C) is the equivalent to a heat index of 160 °F (71 °C) and is theorized to kill anyone exposed to it in 6 hours or less, even if they're naked in the shade next to a fan, as that is the temperature at which a body switches from shedding heat via sweating to gaining it. Even wet bulb temps as low as 82 °F (28 °C) can be, and have been fatal.

Its 100 now at noon in northern California
It supposed to peak at 3pm. 100 degrees and 3 more hours of higher heat

My Xbox has a tile today telling me to use less power with my device to protect the Earth.

Microsoft.

Unchecked AI will eventually ensure that you will use less power with your XBox, yes. And every other electrical device you own.

At what point will AI force me to power the machines?

At this point I'd welcome the surcease of battery service fantasy world existence...