[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

fangblackbone wrote:

Time to start building relationships with those murdering, rapist immigrants to ramp up desalinization efforts.

This is the US, we’ll just invade Canada in a couple decades when it has the only viable farmland and water left in North America.

Anyone who is farming in the desert needs to be farming moisture.

Also, don't forget to wear your stillsuits correctly.

Keldar wrote:

Anyone who is farming in the desert needs to be farming moisture.

Also, don't forget to wear your stillsuits correctly.


Keldar wrote:

Anyone who is farming in the desert needs to be farming moisture.

But I wanted to go into Tosche Station to pick up some power convertors!

Do you speak Bocce?

Uncle Owen, this R2 unit has a bad motivator!

fangblackbone wrote:

Uncle Owen, this R2 unit has a bad motivator!

I love that R5 returned in Mando. Still unmotivated.

Germany, where car is king but protesters won’t let you drive

When does peaceful protest become a crime? How much disruption can a society handle? Do the rights of peaceful demonstrators outweigh the needs of ambulances, fire engines or commuters?

Those are the questions being fiercely debated in Germany on Thursday morning, after the homes of Last Generation environmental activists were raided by police early Wednesday.

Last Generation's spokeswoman said about 25 police officers carrying guns stormed her bedroom while she was in bed, breaking down the door of her apartment in the Berlin district of Kreuzberg.

"We don't know what they were looking for," said one activist, "we only have glue and high-vis jackets."

But that is enough to inflame a culture war that has the car parked right at its heart.

The popular tabloid cliché portrays sausage-eating, car-driving German traditionalists being bossed around by moralistic young vegans.

Mainstream Germany is, as ever, more nuanced. But the extremes on both sides appear to be getting more radical.

Videos on social media regularly show angry drivers shouting at and sometimes attacking activists.

It might seem surprising that the discussion over climate is so fierce in Germany.

After all, this is a country with the Green Party in government, with effective recycling, widespread bike use and heavily subsidised public transport. The government not only has ambitious legally binding climate targets, but also, unlike the UK, concrete policies to reach them.

But Germany is also a country with a powerful auto industry, where the car is often king. Debates over pedestrianising roads turn into tortuous political battles lasting years.

The recent Berlin regional election was partly fought between a conservative campaign for more rights for drivers and Green demands for better bike paths. The conservatives won.

Rows regularly blow up between two of the parties in Germany's three-way governing coalition: the Greens and the liberal pro-car pro-business FDP, which views driving a Porsche without a speed limit on the motorway as a fundamental liberal right.

Both parties are struggling in the polls, making them even more desperate to fight for their ideological values. Social Democrat Chancellor Olaf Scholz's contribution to the debate this week was to describe the actions of Last Generation as "completely crazy".

The same issues are being discussed in the UK. But the environmentalists disrupting transport to highlight the climate emergency are part of a different group; Just Stop Oil.

The tactics of both groups are similar.

Last Generation activists glue themselves to roads or vehicles to block traffic as a way of highlighting climate change.

Over the past month, German activists have focused on Berlin: on Tuesday, at least five separate roads were blocked, as well as the main motorway around the city - twice.

Both organisations also stage high-profile stunts involving artwork: Just Stop Oil protesters have thrown soup at Van Gogh's Sunflowers, while Last Generation activists threw mashed potatoes at a Monet painting.

But their concrete demands are different.

Just Stop Oil's targets are big-picture, including an end to fossil fuels and more renewable energy. Last Generation has specific aims which, compared to their radical actions, seem modest and technocratic: a 100 km/h speed limit on motorways; a €9 (£7.80) public transport monthly ticket; a citizens' council to plan how to scrap fossil fuels by 2030.

Activists say they are offering concrete suggestions and want to talk to political leaders. In some German cities, mayors negotiate with Last Generation activists in return for an end to protests.

But the big difference between the two countries is the legal and political environment.

Germany's 20th-Century experience of Nazi and communist dictatorship means that the right to protest is sacrosanct.

In the UK, two Just Stop Oil activists were jailed for up to three years for scaling the Dartford Crossing bridge and unfurling a banner, which then led to traffic delays.

The British government's new Public Order Act gives police more powers to crack down on climate protests, with heavier penalties and actions that would not legally be possible in Germany.

In Germany, activists who block roads typically receive fines. But in March, for the first time, Last Generation activists were handed a prison sentence which was not suspended.

Two men received sentences of a few months for repeatedly gluing themselves to roads and blocking traffic. The sentence sparked outrage among civil rights campaigners. Wednesday's police raids have made the debate even more ferocious.

On Thursday Conservative politicians and many newspaper commentators applauded Wednesday's police raids on activists.

The Cologne daily, the Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger, called Last Generation's actions "blackmail" and said the activists should win people over, rather than punish them for the government's mistakes.

Left-wing politicians and voters accuse the police of being heavy-handed. They say an organisation with the same aims as the government cannot be called criminal.

"Why are cannons being used to shoot sparrows?" asks the Reutlinger General-Anzeiger.

This week activists have been taking to the streets in protest, saying police actions will simply galvanise support. Critics meanwhile are demanding more powers for the police.

Instead of calming tensions, the raids may make both sides more radical.

I've seen interviews, so it's not a surprise that Rowan Atkinson is an intelligent, erudite man. Hell, you couldn't make some of the comedy he's made if he wasn't.

However, when I see him writing in The Guardian about the limitations of electric cars at the moment, and my brain's still like "Mr. Bean's in the paper?"

Rowan wrote against Electric cars with 1 unsourced fact against them (Volvo claiming dirtier production) and 'instead lets change society' (UK's 3 year car habit) or 'lets drive old bad-emission POSs' or 'lets hang on for future tech'.

Pretty weird article.

So Canadian wildfires are blanketing millions of people with smoke today.

Air quality alerts as far west and south as Indiana, Kentucky all through North Carolina and up the entire Northeast.

Smoky as hell here, AQ at 155. Anything over 100 is not recommended to be outside.

Guess this is our future

130 here in Manhattan today. The weather's pretty awful as well, so I didn't notice.

The rating that Environment and Climate Change Canada uses for air quality is from 1-10, with 1 being great and 10 the worst.

Ottawa (Nation's capital) was officially given "more than 10" for air quality today.


I mean, I live in Ohio and we are smelling smoke from the Canadian wildfires.

We had haze in central Maryland that was remarkably visible at perhaps 50 meters last evening. I forgot to check the official air quality, but it looked like the end of a bad air week in the 70's. And it did give the light a sort of orange tint, which was weird. Didn't connect it to Canada though, at the time, why would I?


Edit - Today's local air quality is 129(!) for PM2.5. Yep, welcome to the late 60's folks. Looking around the map, we are actually much better than many areas within 20 miles or so. I'm seeing 239, 229, and similar throughout the area.

Note that an N95 or KN95 will filter this stuff out.

US Air Quality Index (AQI) chart for reference.


Currently some of the worst in the world where I am at... this is fun. Guess I shouldn't be going for my run this morning.


A well-fitted N95 mask should do you.

I mean, after 2020 who has those...

We still use them. All the cancer and immuno-deficiency stuff in this house makes it a real need.

And we are up to 155 AQI, here, what... about 750 miles away?

It's even hazy here in Delaware.

If I remember right, one of the CA wildfire seasons had smoke that reached the east coast. It was either that or it nearly reached the east coast.

That was the day that the Bay Area had orange colored sky with the visibility of dense fog.

So it was all clever marketing by Blizzard

Diablo ad in Times Square, as the sky turns orange from fires in Canada.


I wonder how big the pixels are on that screen?

A picture of an Activision Blizzard game in a toxic climate sure tracks.



farley3k wrote:

Diablo ad in Times Square, as the sky turns orange from fires in Canada.

They have ads on digital billboards all over the city, and they're supposed to be targeted to the neighborhood they appear in, but somebody who did it didn't totally think it out because I saw one yesterday that said "Welcome to Hell... UPPER EAST"

(Missing the "side" there.)

And isn't it supposed to be Lower East?

East, always East...

There is also an Upper East Side, that's where all the insanely rich assholes you've never heard of live.

Seriously though, it is BANANAS today. My office is literally handing out N95 masks. The air's so bad that going outside is supposed to be something like smoking half a pack.


EDIT: South Park must be losing some cultural cache, because I haven't seen anyone bring up "Blame Canada" in the last 48 hours.