[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

If someone had published research that pollution caused shrinking penises a hundred years ago we'd be living in a freaking paradise by now.

Mixolyde wrote:

If someone had published research that pollution caused shrinking penises a hundred years ago we'd be living in a freaking paradise by now.

on the bright side, it's a good thing pollution doesn't enlarge them.

Chairman_Mao wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

If someone had published research that pollution caused shrinking penises a hundred years ago we'd be living in a freaking paradise by now.

on the bright side, it's a good thing pollution doesn't enlarge them.

So I've been squatting in gutters for NOTHING?

Jonman wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

If someone had published research that pollution caused shrinking penises a hundred years ago we'd be living in a freaking paradise by now.

on the bright side, it's a good thing pollution doesn't enlarge them.

So I've been squatting in gutters for NOTHING?

To all appearances, yes.

Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse

Climate scientists have detected warning signs of the collapse of the Gulf Stream, one of the planet’s main potential tipping points.

The research found “an almost complete loss of stability over the last century” of the currents that researchers call the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC). The currents are already at their slowest point in at least 1,600 years, but the new analysis shows they may be nearing a shutdown.

Such an event would have catastrophic consequences around the world, severely disrupting the rains that billions of people depend on for food in India, South America and West Africa; increasing storms and lowering temperatures in Europe; and pushing up the sea level in the eastern North America. It would also further endanger the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets.

The complexity of the AMOC system and uncertainty over levels of future global heating make it impossible to forecast the date of any collapse for now. It could be within a decade or two, or several centuries away. But the colossal impact it would have means it must never be allowed to happen, the scientists said.

“The signs of destabilisation being visible already is something that I wouldn’t have expected and that I find scary,” said Niklas Boers, from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, who did the research. “It’s something you just can’t [allow to] happen.”

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

Nevin73 wrote:

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

Potential coal in the stocking is the mass migration of Florida man toward the rest of us.

Nevin73 wrote:

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

The Florida landmass isn't the problem. It's the people on it. They can move.

edit: what the Chairman said.

Kind reminder that Biden got 47.9% of the Florida vote, and that without voter suppression it would be a genuine swing state. The electoral college is bullsh*t, not state X's inhabitants.

Nevin73 wrote:

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

If you have ever seen a comparison to what we think the state of Louisiana looks like to what it actually looks like, you will realize,

1) The wealthy will always be able to build their way around nature, and

2) The country will lie to itself to make everyone believe that climate change is not real, or at least not bad enough to act.

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dejanzie wrote:

Kind reminder that Biden got 47.9% of the Florida vote, and that without voter suppression it would be a genuine swing state. The electoral college is bullsh*t, not state X's inhabitants.

I'm the first to pile on the "f*ck Texas/Florida" train, and I stand by those exclamations of despair, but these reminders are important and I appreciate you mentioning it. 5,297,045 Floridians voted for Biden; that's more Biden voters than any other state in the Union except California.

(Texas was third!)

Fair points.

To be honest though, I'd be fine with losing Louisiana too (in a bit of a dark mood today).

Kind reminder that Biden got 47.9% of the Florida vote, and that without voter suppression it would be a genuine swing state. The electoral college is bullsh*t, not state X's inhabitants.

Desantis wouldn't have become governor either...

dejanzie wrote:

Kind reminder that Biden got 47.9% of the Florida vote, and that without voter suppression it would be a genuine swing state. The electoral college is bullsh*t, not state X's inhabitants.

The electoral college has nothing to do with their governor being Republican, both of their US Senators being Republicans, 16 of their House reps being Republicans, their state Senate majority being Republicans, or their state House majority being Republicans.

I agree the electoral college is bullsh*t, and so is voter suppression, and there are millions in Florida that don't agree with what the Republicans are doing. However let's be real, there are also millions that are fine with it and they vote more.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

If you have ever seen a comparison to what we think the state of Louisiana looks like to what it actually looks like, you will realize,

1) The wealthy will always be able to build their way around nature, and

2) The country will lie to itself to make everyone believe that climate change is not real, or at least not bad enough to act.

IMAGE(https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8xODQwNzgyNC9vcmlnaW4uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MDg4MzY2OX0.nkel4PQT4793mbYjajTGPsbqgmF40KBetGU7l-vB4CY/img.jpg?width=980&quality=85)

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Source's source's source!

Danjo Olivaw wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

Well, the potential silver lining is that Florida might disappear.

If you have ever seen a comparison to what we think the state of Louisiana looks like to what it actually looks like, you will realize,

1) The wealthy will always be able to build their way around nature, and

2) The country will lie to itself to make everyone believe that climate change is not real, or at least not bad enough to act.

IMAGE(https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8xODQwNzgyNC9vcmlnaW4uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MDg4MzY2OX0.nkel4PQT4793mbYjajTGPsbqgmF40KBetGU7l-vB4CY/img.jpg?width=980&quality=85)

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Source's source's source!

That is some interesting reading. But it really seems to be the same story over and over again - these are the long term consequences of humanity's actions. So I don't have a lot of sympathy. It also reinforces that we need to focus efforts to get away from oil and gas.

So, Greece is on fire. You might have missed this because of all the other places on fire. Normally, a heatwave here is 40C (107F?). Now, it's been 45C, plus high winds, plus arson. The fire made it across a major highway in northern Athens, and hit a paint factory. The fire on the island of Evia has taken over much of the north. We're watching people being forced to leave their homes who seem intent on dying in their homes.
Thankfully, we're out of Athens right now or I'm not sure I'd be breathing much, with my smoke allergies and asthma.

So, climate change. Yeah.

I cannot find even a mention of the IPCC report on Fox News this morning… But Wattsupwiththat has a bunch of articles explaining why it’s outdated, wrong and that we’re headed for a cooler 2022.

Horrifying.

Me when I hear a climate denier speak...

Oh whew. The NY Post's Bjorn Lomberg, is here to tell us that climate change is good, because more people die of cold than heat.

NY Post wrote:

This matters because globally, many more people die from cold than from heat. A new study in the highly respected journal Lancet shows that about half a million people die from heat per year, but 4.5 million people die from cold.

As temperatures have increased over the past two decades, that has caused an extra 116,000 heat deaths each year. This, of course, fits the narrative and is what we have heard over and over again. But it turns out that because global warming has also reduced cold waves, we now see 283,000 fewer cold deaths. You don’t hear this, but so far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.

Don't take too much time debunking the drek from the Post, folks, unless you're bored. Your time is far more valuable than the Post's.

edit: here's the link. https://nypost.com/2021/08/09/dont-b...

NY ComPost

During the sinking of the Titanic, deaths by illnesses of all kinds onboard dropped *dramatically*. Drastic improvement, right up until the point where the drownings started...

Seth wrote:

Oh whew. The NY Post's Bjorn Lomberg, is here to tell us that climate change is good, because more people die of cold than heat.

NY Post wrote:

This matters because globally, many more people die from cold than from heat. A new study in the highly respected journal Lancet shows that about half a million people die from heat per year, but 4.5 million people die from cold.

As temperatures have increased over the past two decades, that has caused an extra 116,000 heat deaths each year. This, of course, fits the narrative and is what we have heard over and over again. But it turns out that because global warming has also reduced cold waves, we now see 283,000 fewer cold deaths. You don’t hear this, but so far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.

Don't take too much time debunking the drek from the Post, folks, unless you're bored. Your time is far more valuable than the Post's.

edit: here's the link. https://nypost.com/2021/08/09/dont-b...

Let's play contrarian/conspiracy bingo:

"This matters because"
"Highly respected journal"
"Fits the narrative"
"But it turns out"
"You don't hear this, but"

The most populous metropolitan area in America is flooding tonight. Cool, cool, cool.

OG_slinger wrote:

The most populous metropolitan area in America is flooding tonight. Cool, cool, cool.

I was covering this this evening, as my day off got suddenly interrupted!

How bad was it? Sunday before last, Central Park got the largest amount of rainfall it's ever gotten in a single hour at 1.94 inches.

Tonight, it got 3.15 inches.

Don’t worry, our economic system ensures that people are kept desperate enough that you can still get take-out delivered in waist-deep floodwaters.
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It feels like society is collapsing. If this isn’t collapse, how would it be much different?

It is a collapse, it's just a slow one. Robert Evans called it "The Crumbles" on his podcast, which came from someone else. We have reached the point where large areas of the US and the world will be hit by one climate disaster after another way faster than they cane recover or rebuild (Texas, Haiti, etc.) and will see more and more supply chain disruptions and authoritarians promise to fix things. Move to a socialist country if you can and start prepping.

I mean, is it that slow? Rome took 250 years to collapse. We're probably gonna beat that record by a century or two, depending on when you mark the beginning of Pax Americana.

I mark the beginning of our current collapse with the advent of the internal combustion engine: around 1860. 250 years from then would be 2110, so we're def ahead of schedule.