[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

They'll never admit it.

Huge cavities threaten glacier larger than Great Britain

British scientists have mapped cavities half the size of the Grand Canyon that are allowing warm ocean water to erode the vast Thwaites glacier in the Antarctic, accelerating the rise of sea levels across the world.

Like decay in a tooth, the channels of warm water are melting the ice from below, threatening the stability of a glacier that is larger than Great Britain.

Using an aircraft, ship and robot submarine, the British Antarctic Survey and a US team traced the seabed terrain and the bottom of the ice shelf to measure the gaps that have opened between previously grounded sections of the glacier.

They measured two old cavities that were roughly six miles (10km) across and 800 metres deep, which allow warm water to seep under the ice. These have formed over at least 10,000 years. In addition, they mapped several new, thinner fissures that have branched off from these main trunks amid the warmer temperatures of the past 30 years.

The results were published this week in the Cryosphere journal. The good news is the new channels are not yet as large as had previously been assumed, which suggests the collapse of Thwaites may not come as soon as feared. The bad news is scientists believe the cavities are widening but they do not know how fast.

“Before we did these studies, the assumption was that all the channels are the same, but the new ones are much thinner and more dynamic. They will get bigger over time,” said one of the lead authors, Tom Jordan, an aerogeophysicist at the British Antarctic Survey.

“Understanding that process and how these cavities evolve will be key to understanding how Thwaites and western Antarctica will change in the future.”

Great write-up in NYT on displacement coming for the US.

Spoiler alert: You thought the Dust Bowl was bad...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...

Top_Shelf wrote:

Great write-up in NYT on displacement coming for the US.

Spoiler alert: You thought the Dust Bowl was bad...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...

Just finished reading that. Woof. Glad I am in the midwest.

All the Californians moving North into Oregon had a fun surprise this last week.

But it's an artisanal fire they just can't get back in LA.

OG_slinger wrote:

But it's an artisanal fire they just can't get back in LA.

I can't help but laugh. I do love black humor. Smokey, black humor.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

But it's an artisanal fire they just can't get back in LA.

I can't help but laugh. I do love black humor. Smokey, black humor. :)

I laughed, but in all honesty it's also not funny. It's awful here now. I never truly felt "trapped" during the Covid lockdowns, but now I truly feel trapped.

SallyNasty wrote:
Top_Shelf wrote:

Great write-up in NYT on displacement coming for the US.

Spoiler alert: You thought the Dust Bowl was bad...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...

Just finished reading that. Woof. Glad I am in the midwest.

What I couldn't gather from the article, but was wondering about, is how those Midwest areas are going to get impacted.

If, as the article implies, climate change pushes more population that can afford to move into megalopolises where resources will be more expensive, the less populated places will suffer more and more. Richer folks with more marketable skills will flee communities in Arkansas, Missouri and Iowa for Chicago, Minneapolis and Detroit. Those left behind in AR/MO/IA will have a smaller tax base, worse infrastructure and declining crop yields (the last one from macro climate change, nothing to do with rich, educated consultants leaving their second homes).

The article argues that the PNW and NE will gain pop...at the expense of rising infrastructure costs (to incl water, electricity, services, transpo, etc.).

DSGamer wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

But it's an artisanal fire they just can't get back in LA.

I can't help but laugh. I do love black humor. Smokey, black humor. :)

I laughed, but in all honesty it's also not funny. It's awful here now. I never truly felt "trapped" during the Covid lockdowns, but now I truly feel trapped.

That's very fair.

So it will be the opposite of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow"?

That movie was terrible for climate change activists. It was absolutely ludicrous and pushed me further in the climate change denier direction,

This Guardian article is full of notable lines I'd be posting on Facebook for my friends and family to ignore, if I were still on Facebook: The Great Unravelling.

The piece expresses what, for me, seems to be the appropriate response to what's taking place: "Given that humanity is facing an existential threat of planetary proportions, surely it is rational to react with despair, anger, grief and frustration. To fail to emotionally respond to a level of destruction that will be felt throughout the ages feels like sociopathic disregard for all life on Earth."

zyblorg wrote:

This Guardian article is full of notable lines I'd be posting on Facebook for my friends and family to ignore, if I were still on Facebook: The Great Unravelling.

The piece expresses what, for me, seems to be the appropriate response to what's taking place: "Given that humanity is facing an existential threat of planetary proportions, surely it is rational to react with despair, anger, grief and frustration. To fail to emotionally respond to a level of destruction that will be felt throughout the ages feels like sociopathic disregard for all life on Earth."

I agree with this piece completely. I've been definitely emotionally unmoored since it became clear just how bad off we were. Trump's election was depressing to me, almost primarily because I understood that it meant our chances of tackling this problem went down significantly.

I would like to say I've processed that grief. I haven't. I've tried to come to terms with it while also telling myself I won't have to live through the worst of it.

DSGamer wrote:

I would like to say I've processed that grief. I haven't. I've tried to come to terms with it while also telling myself I won't have to live through the worst of it.

I hear you. I feel very lucky to live in a part of the world that will likely remain mostly unscathed by climate change for most of my lifetime -- and with apologies to those with children, I am grateful that my partner and I closed the door on the possibility of kids. But it's hard not to feel like I'm a passenger on a sinking cruiseship, bellied up to the buffet, comfortable in the knowledge that I'll have a heart attack before I'm underwater.

(Er, should this be cross-posted to the Depression is ruining my life thread?)

DSGamer wrote:
zyblorg wrote:

This Guardian article is full of notable lines I'd be posting on Facebook for my friends and family to ignore, if I were still on Facebook: The Great Unravelling.

The piece expresses what, for me, seems to be the appropriate response to what's taking place: "Given that humanity is facing an existential threat of planetary proportions, surely it is rational to react with despair, anger, grief and frustration. To fail to emotionally respond to a level of destruction that will be felt throughout the ages feels like sociopathic disregard for all life on Earth."

I agree with this piece completely. I've been definitely emotionally unmoored since it became clear just how bad off we were. Trump's election was depressing to me, almost primarily because I understood that it meant our chances of tackling this problem went down significantly.

I would like to say I've processed that grief. I haven't. I've tried to come to terms with it while also telling myself I won't have to live through the worst of it.

Yup, it's part of why I just can't be bothered to do a few things like quit smoking. "You won't live as long"... oh nooooooooo... I won't see us continue to fail at taking action and things getting catastrophically worse by the end of my natural life... won't that be sad for me?

Yeah, well... Lung cancer is a terrible way to go...

Living the last 10-20 years of your life with emphysema isn’t fun either.