[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

halfwaywrong wrote:

Those are two different countries though, but I get your point and I don't think I disagree. It's fairly applicable here too.

Ah, I misunderstood your post.

I think it's safe to say that "conservative" (given that the word has different meanings in different context) leaderships in most Western countries are all drawing from the same racist, classist playbook.

halfwaywrong wrote:
Prederick wrote:

The 10 Countries Most Vulnerable to Climate Change Will Experience Population Booms in the Coming Decades

I posted an article about that referenced this before, but if you think the migrant crisis is bad now, wait until CC really kicks in in 20 years.

This article came out earlier this week about the Australian Defence Force identifying climate migrants as a huge problem for the country in the future, among other climate related issues putting huge strain on the military. Meanwhile, our government continues to steer the whole thing off the cliff. You might think they'd at least listen to the military, but nope.

They are listening to the military, they are just going in a different direction with those warnings. You or I take those warnings and say "well ok, we need to aggressively combat emissions so that the changes are only "bad" not "terrible" so their is less migration. In addition we need to work on other practices to mitigate local damages and make those available to regions that are the worst effected! Etc. etc.

Conservative politicians see those warnings and think "ok, we are going to have to create conditions that redirect refugees and migrants to other locations, make sure that others die enroute, and be ready to jail and exile anyone that survives, and shoot anyone that objects."

They are energetically working in that direction as we speak! It's not that they are ignorant or indecisive, they are just choosing evil, which can make it confusing to see the logic.

I think it is more likely they are wanting to show immigration as a problem so they can whip up the populace to vote for them.

Climate change: 12 years to save the planet? Make that 18 months

Welp. It's been fun!

Do you remember the good old days when we had "12 years to save the planet"?

Now it seems, there's a growing consensus that the next 18 months will be critical in dealing with the global heating crisis, among other environmental challenges.

Last year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported that to keep the rise in global temperatures below 1.5C this century, emissions of carbon dioxide would have to be cut by 45% by 2030.

But today, observers recognise that the decisive, political steps to enable the cuts in carbon to take place will have to happen before the end of next year.

The idea that 2020 is a firm deadline was eloquently addressed by one of the world's top climate scientists, speaking back in 2017.

"The climate math is brutally clear: While the world can't be healed within the next few years, it may be fatally wounded by negligence until 2020," said Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, founder and now director emeritus of the Potsdam Climate Institute.

The sense that the end of next year is the last chance saloon for climate change is becoming clearer all the time.

"I am firmly of the view that the next 18 months will decide our ability to keep climate change to survivable levels and to restore nature to the equilibrium we need for our survival," said Prince Charles, speaking at a reception for Commonwealth foreign ministers recently.

The Y by 20XX has always been a bad way to sell it imo. So easy push it aside until later. It has always been more like 'reduce by Y each year until 20XX'.
Neither is gong to happen anyway. It will be a question of how little damage above 1.5C there will be.

Climate Change Threatens World's Food Supply

I've said it here before, but I'll say it again, if you're seriously concerned with mass migration, you should be super concerned with climate change, because if the ability of countries near the equator to feed their populations collapses, there will be an enormous dislocation of people who aren't just going to sit home and starve.

This also speaks to another article I posted here, which is that when this stuff becomes unavoidable, I fully expect most of Climate change's biggest opponents to slide neatly into acknowledging it with a heaping helping of "we can't share, climate change has badly limited our resources".

And this is before we address potential water crises as well.