DC Catch-All [Spoiler Zone]

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We have this for Marvel stuff but I don't recall one for DC. Since DC's universe is growing, and tying together stuff like the MCU I thought we should have a catch-all.

And this story seemed like a great starter.

Geoff Johns on the Future of DC Movies: Relax, We're Changing Everything

In their first interview since taking over the DC Films, the men put in charge of righting the ship after Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad admitted that the tone of the previous films has been wrong—and as a result, many changes are being made.

Those men are Geoff Johns and Jon Berg, the DC Comics chief creative officer and Warner Bros. executive, respectively, who are now in charge of the DC Films slate, which includes Justice League, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and many others.

“[I]n the past, I think the studio has said, ‘Oh, DC films are gritty and dark and that’s what makes them different.’ That couldn’t be more wrong,” Johns told The Wall Street Journal. “It’s a hopeful and optimistic view of life. Even Batman has a glimmer of that in him. If he didn’t think he’d make tomorrow better, he’d stop.”

The pair admitted many of those changes are first going to be first seen in Zack Snyder’s Justice League, which is almost done filming for a November 2017 release. Berg admitted after seeing the reactions to Batman v Superman, they “accelerated the [Justice League] story to get to the hope and optimism a little faster.”

That film will also “directly address Batman’s extreme actions in [Batman v Superman], such as torturing criminals and nearly killing the Man of Steel, rather than accept them as par for the course.” That’s similar to what happened in Batman v Superman, which addressed Superman’s inadvertent destruction of the city of Metropolis during Man of Steel for its first act.

In addition to overseeing all the films, Johns is working more directly on a few of them. We already knew he was writing the Batman solo film for Ben Affleck to star and direct, but he also did a rewrite on Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman film, which will be the next one out.

“We’re trying to take a really hard look at everything to make sure we stay true to the characters and tell stories that celebrate them,” Johns said.

farley3k wrote:
but he also did a rewrite on Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman film, which will be the next one out.

“We’re trying to take a really hard look at everything to make sure we stay true to the characters and tell stories that celebrate them,” Johns said.

I sure hope the male re-write of a female super hero movie directed by a woman doesn't....ugh.

This thread needs some news. Billy Crudup might appear as Barry Allen's dad in The Flash movie (hey, it's not like there was a preponderance of Flash actors from say 20-25 years ago not name John Wesley Schipp to play the role) and Joe Manganiello is playing Deathstroke in Ben Affleck's Gone Batgirl...er...Batman something. It'd be nice to see Deathstroke and Batman in a throwdown where I don't where my fingers out in QTEs ala Batman: Arkham Origins.

Booster Gold movie will not be a part of the cinematic universe.

http://www.slashfilm.com/booster-gol...

I support this. If DC really wants to differentiate itself from Marvel, don't force all of your movies into a shared universe.

Personally, I always preferred Batman be in his own universe. He just doesn't fit in with all the super powered characters.

Also, where's our Batman Beyond movie?

I support the idea, but what I know of Booster Gold makes it seem an odd choice for a stand alone.

Because I just found him and like his work.

PaladinTom wrote:

Booster Gold movie will not be a part of the cinematic universe.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

I support the idea, but what I know of Booster Gold makes it seem an odd choice for a stand alone.

One of the lessons I hope gets taken from Deadpool is that because many of us live in a shared cultural universe, we don't necessarily need cinematic universes for everything. We can go ahead and have movies that take place in worlds where Superman and Batman exist, but they don't have to be wrapped up in a huge continuity ball.

That was pretty good and well said. To the EGA BvS Uncut movie.

And the AV Club were hilaaaaarious dicks about it.

Said it before, saying it now, I don't buy the line that Snyder has a vision that rankles "purists," because he is a sort of purist as well--the sweaty dude at the rack who insists Liefeld is the greatest:
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I'm shocked he withheld the pouches.

When Batman found out that dude from Magic Mike is playing Deathstroke...

https://www.facebook.com/ign/videos/...

Justice League Batman New Batsuit and Trailer Details

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to ask, but since the MCU thread talks about the TV shows, I figured this would work.

I'm thinking of starting to watch the DC shows (Arrow, Flash, etc), but since I know nothing about them, I was hoping for some advice wrt viewing order, which series to watch/skip, etc.

Without being too spoilerific, any suggestions from those series fans would be appreciated!

Alz wrote:

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to ask, but since the MCU thread talks about the TV shows, I figured this would work.

I'm thinking of starting to watch the DC shows (Arrow, Flash, etc), but since I know nothing about them, I was hoping for some advice wrt viewing order, which series to watch/skip, etc.

Without being too spoilerific, any suggestions from those series fans would be appreciated!

So the release was Arrow -> Flash -> Legends of Tomorrow

Arrow starts off dark and Batman like, with a lot of revenge and the like. I watched the first season and a half but couldn't continue past that; I hear it gets bad around four (?) and good again at some point but I have no first-hand knowledge.

Flash is a set in the same universe and I think Barry Allen was introduced in Arrow, but the show is fine to be watched by itself. It's much more upbeat and bright, and also pretty cheesy at times. There's giant leaps of logic but if you're okay with rolling with it it can be a lot of fun.

Legends of Tomorrow is a spin-off from both Arrow and The Flash and I haven't seen it, but I understand it's pretty bad. It's post-season 1 of Flash and would probably make sense after you see the characters in it, like Hawkgirl, show up in Flash.

Supergirl is in her own universe, with nothing in common with the other three except one cross-over episode that's cute but mostly a throw-away. That may change in the future since its being moved to the CW, but it'll probably stay its own universe with various methods of moving between worlds used (portals, running really fast, accidental teleportation, etc.) if there are going to be more crossovers. Supergirl is even more optimistic/bright than the Flash is but I'm enjoying it for what it is so far, about half-way through the first season.

Alz wrote:

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to ask, but since the MCU thread talks about the TV shows, I figured this would work.

I'm thinking of starting to watch the DC shows (Arrow, Flash, etc), but since I know nothing about them, I was hoping for some advice wrt viewing order, which series to watch/skip, etc.

Without being too spoilerific, any suggestions from those series fans would be appreciated!

I watch them all, think they're all fun in varying ways. bnp gave the correct outline: Arrow came first, Flash started during Arrow's 3rd season, LoT just started last season, etc. Those three do all cross over and share a universe, but each mostly keeps to themselves, save for the occasional visit from some number of characters. Unless you're terminally obtuse, I don't think you need to watch every and all of them.

Season 2 of Arrow and season 1 of Flash are widely and accurately esteemed as the best. There have been a variety of hiccups since. LoT is finding its footing, but its sufficiently crazy I give it a lot of leeway.

Supergirl is its own CBS-y cul-de-sac, but now that it's joining its brethren, we'll have to see. It's a mixed bag, that can be very didactic about certain gender things which some viewers, I'm going to keep it 100, some obnoxious dude viewers, find off putting. I also think it's a real joy, but I really like Superman and the various members of his family, and the show is a fun take on that.

Supergirl is fantastic, pure joy and a must watch.

I also really enjoy Arrow, although I'm not blind to its weaknesses. If I was going to watch it I'd recommend the whole thing though, it's very strongly serialised. Season 1 is the weakest, but sets up a lot that follows. S02 is very good, it took a slight dip in 3,but has largely been mostly decent since. It's a network tv show with 20+ episodes a season, it's inevitably going to be full of weak episodes and digressions, but overall it's solid.

Flash Season 1 was very fun and entertaining, but I thought it ended pretty weakly and S02 was mostly nonsense with a few high points. The crossovers were the high point.

Legends is... a tough recommend. It has some of the best characters from the Berlantiverse, but also some of the worst. The main time travel storyline is eye-wateringly nonsensical, but some of the episodes are great. It would have benefited from being shorter a la Agent Carter.

I think they do all benefit from binge watching, because the momentum papers over the cracks.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

Supergirl is fantastic, pure joy and a must watch.

I'd generally agree with this. It's super cheese but also the most positive thing I watched on TV. Really enjoyed it.

I also really enjoy Arrow, although I'm not blind to its weaknesses. If I was going to watch it I'd recommend the whole thing though, it's very strongly serialised. Season 1 is the weakest, but sets up a lot that follows. S02 is very good, it took a slight dip in 3,but has largely been mostly decent since. It's a network tv show with 20+ episodes a season, it's inevitably going to be full of weak episodes and digressions, but overall it's solid.

Can't agree here. Season 1 is middling but works and gets better as it goes and ends with a bang. S2 is the high point. Seasons 3 and 4 are both straight up hard to watch for long stretches of episodes. Arrow gets... bad. There are good moments scattered here and there but they're buried in a lot of trash. And I hope you like meaningless completely unnecessary flashbacks used as filler, because once you get past season 2 there's oh so many of them for you to enjoy.

Flash Season 1 was very fun and entertaining, but I thought it ended pretty weakly and S02 was mostly nonsense with a few high points. The crossovers were the high point.

The problem with Flash is that they keep making these supposedly super smart people do idiotic things because that's how they get the plot to go where they want it to, not because it makes sense for the characters.

Legends is straight up bad TV, but it's kind of bad in the right way if you're a person who is into that. I watched all of it and would say it's objectively bad... but I kept right on watching and occasionally laughing at things and having fun with it.

It isn't nearly as frustrating as season 2 of The Flash is for me.

Ok, so I started watching Arrow last night. It wasn't bad, per se, but it definitely feels made for Network TV. I didn't realize how spoiled I'd gotten with how different the Netflix MCU series are constructed and paced. With the need to rush through a plot line to finish an episode, or to end a scene for a commercial break, Arrow brings a lot of the baggage that made me stop watching most broadcast series.

The fight scenes are choreographed very well, and the slow drip reveal about what happened on the island layer by layer is intriguing. But the dialog is choppy and inconsistent, and some characters are REALLY just caricatures. I understand why they repeat a lot of the same conversations from previous episodes (if he says he's Sorry to his ex one more time, I'm going to vomit) but it doesn't lend itself well to binge watching. I hesitate to call it a procedural, but right now it's very formulaic.

The other difference is the harsh shift in morality from the MCU series. Arrow is the Good Guy who kills Bad Guys. There's no depth to the villains, or shades of grey - if you're on his list, you're dead. And some of the reasons are the Bad Guys are Bad are ... eye rolling. One doomed Bad Guy installed cheap fire alarms in low income housing; some failed and people died in fires. That's bad, but deserving of a vigilante style execution? I think even Frank Castle would have been like, "meh, call me when he's personally setting the fires."

I'm not giving up on the show yet - it mixes some decent action with a longer-game plotline that I'm enjoying watching unravel. The meat and potatoes stuff though - the dialog, the characters, the "Bad guy of the Week" take some getting through.

Seems like the are putting a lot of Superman in Supergirl. I hope it works well.

It worked well in that clip.

Actually, this works even better:

Thin_J wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:

I also really enjoy Arrow, although I'm not blind to its weaknesses. If I was going to watch it I'd recommend the whole thing though, it's very strongly serialised. Season 1 is the weakest, but sets up a lot that follows. S02 is very good, it took a slight dip in 3,but has largely been mostly decent since. It's a network tv show with 20+ episodes a season, it's inevitably going to be full of weak episodes and digressions, but overall it's solid.

Can't agree here. Season 1 is middling but works and gets better as it goes and ends with a bang. S2 is the high point. Seasons 3 and 4 are both straight up hard to watch for long stretches of episodes. Arrow gets... bad. There are good moments scattered here and there but they're buried in a lot of trash. And I hope you like meaningless completely unnecessary flashbacks used as filler, because once you get past season 2 there's oh so many of them for you to enjoy.

I haven't seen season 4 yet, but I agree with this. I don't regret watching it, but it's probably got the absolute worst case of Aesop Amnesia I've ever seen. So much of the "drama" is self-inflicted crap that normal people would've just talked out because they remembered that the last dozen times they kept a secret from someone "to keep them safe" it blew up in their face and either got someone killed, or caused massive damage to their relationship with that person.

Yeah, I'm not going to defend the show's weaknesses, which are glaring. But once I've got 2 or 3 seasons in a show it takes a lot to get me to stop watching, as long as it stays mostly entertaining.

That doesn't look very fun to swim around in.

I assume the Aquaman movie will be dealing with the villains who filled the seas with mercury and ionized the atmosphere so only a wan, silvery light can pass through?

For f*ck's sake...

I find it funny how the costumes look better in behind-the-scense videos because they are actually colorful!

Legends has always been fun but slight in my opinion. I'm hoping Rip isn't gone for good--he wasn't an amazing character, but Darvill made him cool.

Wonder Woman trailer!

Did, did I see... color?

I already love Lucy Davis' character.

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