Nioh Slash-All!

Made some more progress in NG+. The Giant Centipede is dead. I went into the fight nearly braindead and forgetting everything I had learned from my previous run-in with the beast and I died horribly. The next attempt it all came back to me and I realized just how easy this fight is. Well, that and the life steal affix on my Spear certainly helped stay alive as all the choking poison was slowly killing me.

Flipped things back to Way of the Samurai and completed The Two Kings side mission. That's the double boss fight with Tachibana Muneshige and Honda Tadakatsu. Being properly - nay, let's say over - leveled helped me out a lot. That said, it wasn't all that hard to focus down Tachibana first before whittling down the tankier Honda all by himself.

The gear chase loop right now is pretty much dead for me. I have been wearing the same divine gear for many missions now and I'm pretty happy with my weapons as well. All gear level is capped at 150 in Way of the Strong so there's not a whole lot more ceiling to look forward to until NG++. But we'll see. I have about 80 ochoko cups and only want to spend them for a small chance at Divine drops when I know I'm going to dig into a really meaty mission. So it's been a lot of vendoring all the gear at the blacksmith with maybe the exception of diviine and exotics. To be honest I can probably start disassembling more of that stuff, too.

I thought I was on a side mission but it looks like I've arrived at the giant toad boss so, I suspect I was on the next main mission. I wasn't intending to do it yet because I'm under levelled but, after a struggle, I'm here.

Higgledy wrote:

I thought I was on a side mission but it looks like I've arrived at the giant toad boss so, I suspect I was on the next main mission. I wasn't intending to do it yet because I'm under levelled but, after a struggle I'm here.

Good luck!

I decided to give the "Heir to the Nioh" side-mission a shot. The mission itself was enjoyable, and the multi-wave boss-fight was entertaining, but I just couldn't beat the final karasu-tengu. It took me probably ten tries, eventually figuring out that he was weak to lightning and finally getting a sense of how to dodge his attacks, which were (as always) a one-shot affair in terms of my survivability. I got him in the end though, so that felt good.

Bolstered by my success, I proceeded to the next region and gave "The Ogress" side-mission a try, with the intent of getting through that before proceeding to the main mission. I've given up on that one though. While the mission was great, the boss is absolutely ROFL-stomping me, and I don't quite know how to respond. I'm faced with a situation in which I'm attacked by five enemies simultaneously, two of whom can essentially Sloth me, and a boss who can one-shot me. For a build that requires mobility, this obviously represents a nearly insurmountable hurdle. I decided to proceed on with the main mission to clear my head, and I'll circle back.

As for the main mission....yup, here's the inevitable spider mission. *sigh*

I have left the Ogress aside for now. I haven’t even tried it yet.

Coldstream wrote:
Higgledy wrote:

I thought I was on a side mission but it looks like I've arrived at the giant toad boss so, I suspect I was on the next main mission. I wasn't intending to do it yet because I'm under levelled but, after a struggle I'm here.

Good luck!

Thanks! He’s a boss I’ve wanted to fight for a while so I’m looking forward to it. I just need to settle in and learn the fight.

@Coldstream: I had to look up both of those sub missions you mentioned as it's been a while for me. The Raven Tengu become pretty easy once you harness the power of the "dodge into them" technique which allows you to punish them AND dodge their sweeping counter-attacks.

As for The Ogress sub mission... that's the one that has you fight the lone Flying Bolt? Fighting the Ogress herself is an entirely different ball game. It should not surprise you that dodging towards Ogress is a real life-saver as well. But she is a tough nut to crack, I remember that was another one of those 10-20 tries kind of boss fights for me.

Just like... Umi-Bozu! I thought I was older and wiser than I was in 2017. Turns out I am still sucker for falling into the water or getting ganked by the giant beam at the start of the fight. His second form has a lot more HP in NG+. Even with a fully leveled Kato living weapon I couldn't take out the remaining 1/8 of his health bar. With that out of the way I'm trying to wrap up the sub mission in the same area. My god I hate the flooded temples level. This region is the worst actually with both the poison gas mines and the flooded temples, LOL.

As soon as you stop looking where your feet are going there is a hole in the boards.

Every time I'm at the PS4 I'm either on the Netflix or instinctively firing up Nioh. I can't be playing this game all Christmas break, can I? On the upshot it has kept me away from the PSN holiday sale. I pretty much have no interest in playing anything else. But I've also got a hefty backlog staring at me. I guess this is an okay problem to have!

Sounds like a great way to save money!
I need to get back to this game, but Christmas has made it hard, what with all the new games I've gotten and everything...

Okay, here's me doing the Heir to the Nioh multi-wave battle on NG+:

Maclintok wrote:

As for The Ogress sub mission... that's the one that has you fight the lone Flying Bolt?

That's the one. The issue really is one of crowd control. Most enemies in the game can come close to one-shotting me, as my build is very much a strike-and-dodge affair. I haven't figured out a way to really effectively deal with crowds, especially ones that close quickly. Especially annoying is getting Slothed, as it really removes my ability to get out of the way. My survival time is generally 10-15 seconds in the fight, which inevitably flows from getting slowed and then one-shotted.

My Ninjutsu is fairly powerful, so as I was falling asleep last night I was devising ways to use that in my favour. The larger bombs are quite slow, but if I could use them to get rid of the Oni-bi who are slowing me, I'd at least have a fighting chance. The trick is taking them out fast enough before the Flying Bolt closes in for the kill. I'll give it some thought and come back to that side-mission.

And I can neither confirm nor deny that the vast majority of my deaths (and subsequent threat to the life and integrity of my controller) when fighting Umi-bozu were due to falling into the water! Happily, I figured out that the left side of the dock is far less dangerous for that, as Umi-bozu's body blocks almost all of it. The right side is far more perilous if you don't stay somewhere in the middle.

Hmm, I'm full heavy build this time around so I can't dodge Flying Bolt attacks for sh--t. Just had to go slow with the one I met in the poison gas mines. I'm slowing learning and honing best approaches for all of the major enemies but this one still eludes me, literally!

I'm really glad to be through the Umi-Bozu. We are no strangers but It was the first time my hands got clammy like it was my first time all over again.

I'm loving my progress through NG+ but I'm halfway done my holidays and I've barely touched my backlog. I will be diverting myself over to God of War for the rest of the week and see I can get put that one away.

p.s. - I think I'm done trying to get the hang of the spear parry. I absolutely hate the delay on it compared to the katana. The pay-off is amazing since it gives you a free final blow but man, it's just rough being consistent with it even against the lowliest of grunts.

I've actually done a few sword parries I think but when I actually try to do them they don't happen. I'll have to work on it because they are so effecting. Not to mention cool looking.

Hope you get God of War done Maclintok. It's well worth finishing. Can't wait for the next one.

Yeah, I really wish they'd tweaked the parry window to be just a bit more forgiving. As it stands, it's hardly a viable tactic, despite a significant number of skill moves relying upon it. The rate of successful parries compared to the likelihood getting a sword in the gut is just too low for it to be anything other than a desperation move. If I could be reasonably sure that a parry would work as long as I see the swing coming, I'd use it more. As it stands, even when I'm practicing it's like trying to nail a single animation frame for a successful parry.

Still, if I wanted to focus on parrying, I'd be playing Sekiro (which is definitely on the list).

Higgledy wrote:

Hope you get God of War done Maclintok. It's well worth finishing. Can't wait for the next one.

Funnily enough, a few minutes into my save game on GoW and I'm already stuck. It's in Alheim with those blasted dark elf summoners and exploding bugs. I think I'll just whip it down to easy because I'm really there to experience the story.

So... got pulled back to Nioh this morning! Boy, that Joro-Gumo is not quite the pushover that she was the first time around. Now that I'm in heavy armor it is much more difficult to get behind her as well as avoiding her web spew and big lungy attacks. My last attempt saw me get her to the last 20% of her HP but my Ki is constantly trying to recover. She moves at such a breakneck pace. Since my spear does Fire damage I decided to use the Lightning talisman to get the discord debuff. I also found more success with low stance and rolling into her swipe attacks as well as liberal use of Flying Monkey. Will try to put her away today!

I put down my money toward a copy of Nioh 2 yesterday. I assume there'll be a separate thread for it when it launches?

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I put down my money toward a copy of Nioh 2 yesterday. I assume there'll be a separate thread for it when it launches?

Yes.

New Year, new catch-all!

I'm also going to plunk down for my pre-order this week and will go against my better judgement and buy the Digital Deluxe Edition. LET'S GET HYPE.

My attempts to play other games this holiday have largely failed so I'm just going to embrace what makes me happy or "sparks joy".

Optional Nue battle is done. Yup, as expected I had to rez at the shrine a number of times. I caught a Reddit video recently that showed a player using a paralysis jutsu on Nue and blasting his health down to nothing in a matter of seconds. This was quite the opposite of that. I don't even know why I was so tentative and missed so many easy openings this time. Once I found my groove it was kind of surprising how quickly the fight wrapped up.

Followed by White Tiger:

Spoiler:

Both of these boss fights teach how blocking is a perfectly valid technique, so long as you're not turtling up the whole time. Weighed down in armor, I forgot that White Tiger is not actually a dexterity/dodging battle but instead a blocking and sidestep challenge.

So I figured out that I can't play this game while I'm on-call. First, because I need to be able to pick up the phone at any time within a couple of rings. The second is that I'm likely to yell at the poor clinic person on the other end of the line because my adrenaline is fired up in a boss fight. I think this is going to have to be an off-week thing for me, with a nice sedate game that I can pause at any time for during my call weeks. Haha!

Oh yeah I can kind of relate. I often play a poor game of phone tag with my mom once a week. She recently returned my missed call whilst I was deep in a boss fight (I think it was the Nue one). Let's just say I had to take a deep breath before picking up the phone!

@Higgledy: I've been catching up on my forum-reading and really enjoyed your GWJ Community GOTY write-up for Nioh! Even better, your use of the spoiler tag to collapse your essays was great! I wish more people would do that with their longer GOTY posts.

Maclintok wrote:

Oh yeah I can kind of relate. I often play a poor game of phone tag with my mom once a week. She recently returned my missed call whilst I was deep in a boss fight (I think it was the Nue one). Let's just say I had to take a deep breath before picking up the phone!

@Higgledy: I've been catching up on my forum-reading and really enjoyed your GWJ Community GOTY write-up for Nioh! Even better, your use of the spoiler tag to collapse your essays was great! I wish more people would do that with their longer GOTY posts.

Thanks Maclintok. I'm really trying to dig down into what I like about the games and why and perhaps give some of my thoughts around the game and the developers if it's relevant. I'm working on my games of the Decade list. That's definitely going to need a spoiler tag. It's already long and I've only done four.

There are some fantastic lists but it makes me chuckle when folks spoiler tag their concise lists and leave their extensive lists out in the thread.

It’s among your games of the decade? Nice! I recently did a months long Games of my Life series on Facebook with my friends as well as games of 2010-2019 and I had to include Nioh on both lists.

Since we sorta recently discussed Yuki-onna, here’s my final video share for a while of my battle with her on WotS. Honestly no material changes to the fight itself from what I could tell. I broke my rule going in of seeing if I could stay in really close range to her the entire time. I didn’t...and paid the price! Also: I’ve never been so shutdown by a boss after popping my living weapon.

She can be so brutal.

I’m still seeing what is on the list and what isn’t. There are about twenty games that definitely deserve a place on the list and I keep cycling through which ones are in and which out. It’s agony I tell you!

My 'Game of the decade' list has caused me to be 'inceptioned' into two more games. Basically Hollow knight is on hold while I finish playing Nioh but Nioh is on hold while I solo Ornstein and Smough and Artorias in Dark Souls but that project is on hold while I finish off my fourth play through of 'The Last of Us' (and hopefully don't start another play through on Grounded difficulty.)

I really want to get back to fighting the toad though.

No progress for me recently. I've been on-call, which sort of precludes playing Nioh since I need to be able to drop the game at a moment's notice. When I haven't been on-call, I just haven't had the right mindset. Moderate life stressors seem to make the game a little harder to take, and this is compounded by the fact that my save is right prior to a particularly annoying section. Worse, my skills are degrading by not-playing, which makes that section harder.

I'll definitely try to jump back into it at some point this week, although I suspect that my Dragonquest XI run will dominate most of my gaming time. Speaking of which, I found myself peering around corners and waiting to get ganked in DQ XI. I think that Nioh has broken my brain.

I'm a simple man: I see Nioh thread updates, I click.

I had slowed down a lot on Nioh myself. Last time I played was maybe a week ago and I rage quit after losing a buttload of Amrita to a pair of umbrella yokai. Seriously, phuc those guys!

I'm also saving myself from burning out before Nioh 2, which has been a great excuse to move onto other games except most other games in my backlog are BS in some form or another.

@Higgledy: funny you should mention... I was gifted Holllow Knight over the holidays. Installed it and have yet to even boot up. This weekend may be a good time to try it out... along with maybe continuing my playthrough of Blasphemous.

Hollow Knight is very, very good don’t be afraid to check a guide to see where to go next. It isn’t always obvious and it sounds like endless looking put people off the game a little.

I’m back to Dark Souls and at Ornstein and Smough so I may be back to Nioh soon.

Higgledy wrote:

Hollow Knight is very, very good don’t be afraid to check a guide to see where to go next. It isn’t always obvious and it sounds like endless looking put people off the game a little.

I’m back to Dark Souls and at Ornstein and Smough so I may be back to Nioh soon.

Oh thanks for the tip! I do have a history of abandoning "metroid-vanias" because life is short and I only have so much spare time to get lost in a level I've been staring at for hours on end. Blasphemous is suffering from the same affliction, which is a big reason why i bounced off of that for a few months.

Yes, just look up a guide for the first few hours of Hollow Knight. It's a really good game, but they don't do a great job of guiding you through the first few upgrades and which new areas they'll give you access to.

Not surprisingly, the upcoming sequel has put me in the mood to play this again. However, when I launched it last night, I was halfway through a mission I didn't remember, and I couldn't recall what any of the controls were.

I also couldn't remember how to quit a mission, so that took awhile to figure out, too. But once I did, I found the first mission and jumped into that to refamiliarize myself with how the game works.

Thanks to my gear and level, I was able to run through the mission without any deaths or setbacks. It was funny to hit parts of the level that I remember struggling with and just blow through them.

It was a good reminder of everything I liked and didn't like in this game. The combat felt great, and the ki system adds some interesting wrinkles to the Souls formula. I don't switch stances much, but it's fun that every weapon type has multiple movesets you can change on the fly. It's not quite the same as the trick weapons in Bloodborne, but it feels similar. The level design is great, and the overall setting is engrossing.

But also gee, there is so much to this game. Too much, in my opinion. There's magic and ninjitsu and all kinds of additional, unlockable moves and forging and fusing and fountains and fountains and fountains of pointless loot. I feel like the design team threw everything to the wall to see what stuck, then stapled up all the things that didn't stick just to have them there.

In any case, it's only like three weeks until the sequel and I'm so there!

I just killed the Giant Toad boss and feel like that's a good place to park the game temporarily or permanently. Like you ClockworkHouse I had to relearn what the heck I was doing but soon got back into the combat. I feel like I've had a really great time with the game and got to fight the boss in the immediate future that most appealed to me so leave satisfied. There may be a time in the future when I feel like pressing on. We'll see.

Also, I want to get back to Hollow Knight and make progress in that game.