NFL 2016: Offseason: Draft

Abu5217 wrote:
ukickmydog wrote:

I'm thinking the Chargers take Ramsey, which screws over the Cowboys and then Jerry panics and overrides his personnel guys that want Bosa or Buckner to take Elliott. With Elliott off the board, the rest of the top 10 becomes dull with no trades.

This is pretty much my nightmare. The fact that it's a probable outcome doesn't help.

I suppose if I pointed out reports just came across the Cowboys have signed Manziel to be Romo's primary backup it wouldn't help?

Spoiler:

JUST KIDDING.

Even Jerry Jones isn't that crazy. Probably.

Gumbie wrote:
Bill Connelly wrote:

Let's put it another way. Here's what Andrew Luck's radar would look like were he a member of the 2016 draft class. Luck was unanimously regarded as an elite pro prospect, and if the Rams or anyone else would have traded a booty of draft picks for the chance to draft Luck, a lot of people would have considered it a justifiable move.

Luck is a pretty harsh standard to compare against though. That guy was the darling of those kinds of radar graphs.

I wish he had Matt Ryan's graph to show. Goff's would be most similar to his, but better I think. Same height and weight, Goff with a slightly better 40, better 3 cone drill, significantly better completion %, better yards per, lower INT rate, same nonexistent running stats... the only one Ryan would come out a hair better would be sack avoidance (21 sacks in his last year vs Goff's 26). Overall Goff's radar chart would look almost exactly like Ryan's, only really deviating with the better completion %,

Goff really is a Matt Ryan clone to a T. Is that as desirable as another Andrew Luck? No, it's not. That's why, up until all the trade-ups, I thought he belonged drafted after the ~5 elite prospects, and land at #7 to the Niners. So in that sense at least, I agree that it's hard to say that he's a prospect to give away the farm in a trade up for. But I do think he has the stuff to be capable early on, and develop into a high caliber starting QB.

Gumbie wrote:

Also thanks Legion for all the thought and work you put into these threads. I give you a lot of sh*t but I do love reading your stuff.

Oh, I love you too, you sumbitch.

Gumbie wrote:

I kinda sad Titans won't have a shot at Ramsey. He really wanted to play for this hometown team. :(

Don't worry, there's a decent chance he'll get to come and visit once every year.

This really is where I go for great football analysis now. When I hit the lottery and buy a team of my own, Legion is getting the first call for GM

Great piece on the Draft.

I was gonna pull a quote, but this pic kinda sums it up:

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garion333 wrote:

I was gonna pull a quote, but this pic kinda sums it up:

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I think the picture of Favre in jorts is a better representation.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I was gonna pull a quote, but this pic kinda sums it up:

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I think the picture of Favre in jorts is a better representation.

I actually posted that to Facebook with a comment of trying to avoid ever having a picture like this of me.

Now that's a pull quote:

Jared Goff never beat a Top 25 team. Jared Goff's 4 and 20 against teams that finished with a winning record. So, if we're going to compare [Wentz] to somebody that's had this unbelievable success playing at a higher level, then I would get more of that argument. But to me, [Goff’s] got, what, four more wins against winning I-A teams than Carson Wentz does?

From The Ringer's Draft edition newsletter.

I hate that kind of team-stat stuff on draft prospects. Goff could have gone to Fresno and he'd likely have a much better winning percentage against other winning teams - those winning teams would just be teams that built winning records off of other MWC opponents. Is he somehow a worse QB because he played a tougher schedule on a bad Pac-12 team, instead of playing the slate Derek Carr played through?

His team was a dogsh*t 1-11 his freshman year after they cleaned house and started over with a new staff, crept up to 5-7 his sophomore year, and 8-5 and a bowl game his junior year. I refuse to hold rebuilding a program that was an unmitigated disaster against the guy.

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Spoiler:

Elite

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I suppose if I pointed out reports just came across the Cowboys have signed Manziel to be Romo's primary backup it wouldn't help?

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Spoiler:

JUST KIDDING.

Even Jerry Jones isn't that crazy. Probably.

I dunno. It's pretty close.

Mayock's mock draft is out.

Interesting bits:

- Ronnie Stanley at #3 to the Chargers, first tackle taken.

- Cowboys take Elliott at #4

- Jags get Ramsey at #5, 49ers get Buckner at #7, making me happy

- Titans trade up to #6 to get Tunsil

- Has Conklin going #10 to the Giants, like I do. This is literally the first mock draft besides my own that I've seen suggesting Conklin could go that high

- Paxton Lynch at #20 to the Jets. Very easy to see that, and would ruin our pick #22 hopes and dreams

- He's got a few players in round 1 that I don't, all down in that 2nd half of the round. Darron Lee, Robert Nkemdiche, both of the Alabama DTs (Reed and Robinson), Will Fuller, and Artie Burns. Most of those names appear in my alternate options. Of that group, the only ones I didn't strongly consider putting in were Nkemdiche and Burns. The former because of off-the-field (marijuana arrest, involvement of bad family members in life, etc) that you just don't have to gamble on when there's so much other talent at that position, and Burns I just don't have ahead of Alexander. The rest of that group, if I made a two round mock draft, they all would have been near the top of round 2.

I don't watch tape, just don't have time for it, so I rely on other's analysis. I knew Jared Goff was good at avoiding pressure but I didn't realize he looks like an athletic version of Peyton Manning.

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Look at those beautiful feet!

Jason Boris who has the highest 5 year average mock draft accuarcy has put his 2016 mock out.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scori...

http://www.tnonline.com/2016/apr/28/...

Of note in it...

Jason Boris wrote:

5. *** TRADE *** Tennessee Titans (from Jacksonville) – Laremy Tunsil (OT, Ole Miss)… I don’t usually project trades in my mock drafts, but with six of the first 76 selections in this year’s draft, the Titans have more than enough ammunition to wheel and deal (and basically get any player they want). It is well known that Tennessee wants an offensive lineman to protect Marcus Mariota, but the top three figure to be gone by the time they pick at #15. If the Titans would have stayed at #1, Laremy Tunsil very well could have been their selection, so to get a bounty of picks from the Rams and then to trade back up into the top 10 to get either Tunsil or Ronnie Stanley will be a feather in the cap of first-year General Manager Jon Robinson.

The thought of divisional rivals trading seems crazy, but this draft season has been wild enough so far I might believe it.

He's very good in the pocket, which he had better be, because he is not a runner at all. His career rushing stats at Cal were -114 yards. (He managed to get that down to just -8 his junior season, did a better job of getting rid of the ball rather than take losses running on broken plays).

Pete Prisco posted his final mock draft, with the title: "This mock will explode after Pick No. 2"

That about sums up trying to mock this draft.

Drafting Leonard Floyd at #9. I would like to move on from this mock draft now. I mean, other than the fact he's not particularly good against the run and hasn't exactly been a great pass rusher, he's clearly very tall and fast, and, outside of that, he's tall and fast. Oh, and he's tall and fast.

*Legion* wrote:

His team was a dogsh*t 1-11 his freshman year after they cleaned house and started over with a new staff, crept up to 5-7 his sophomore year, and 8-5 and a bowl game his junior year. I refuse to hold rebuilding a program that was an unmitigated disaster against the guy.

Sad Bear Face

I can't remember the last time I defended a guy so strongly who snubbed Fresno.

*Legion* wrote:

I can't remember the last time I defended a guy so strongly who snubbed Fresno. :)

He was actually recruited by your (our) hero.. the QB Whisperer Jeff Tedford. Thankfully he decided to stay after the coaching change.

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I hope that is really his middle school picture and that he uses the same flowbee vacuum attachment to cut his hair.

That kid has legitimately better hair than Mark Davis.

I just don't understand how you can have as much money as Mark Davis, and not get a stylist or someone and say, "hey, just fix this sh*t into something good".

*Legion* wrote:

I just don't understand how you can have as much money as Mark Davis, and not get a stylist or someone and say, "hey, just fix this sh*t into something good".

"This sh*t looks so good. Do you agree underling?"
"It's the best, sir!"

That's how.

Davis is clearly a giant fanboy who is just a dye job and four cybernetic tentacles away from a co-starring role in the next Spider-Man film.

STOP MOCKING MARK'S DREAM, GUYS.

Vector wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

I just don't understand how you can have as much money as Mark Davis, and not get a stylist or someone and say, "hey, just fix this sh*t into something good".

"This sh*t looks so good. Do you agree underling?"
"It's the best, sir!"

That's how.

I really don't see him as having that type of presence. I think it's more like an ongoing gag where people keep telling him it looks great.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/raiders...

Mark Davis made me double post

Mark Davis is Tommy Boy, trying not to face-plant on a table full of beers.

Ouch.

"Mark," Davis said, stopping the meeting and sounding genuinely interested. "What do you think we should do?"

Caught off guard, the younger Davis mumbled something about needing a wide receiver.

Wrong answer.

"A [expletive] receiver?" Al Davis snapped, his voice rising. "Get the [expletive] out of here."

And with that, the heir to one of the NFL's most storied franchises slinked out of the room and continued with the rest of his day.

Father of the year sh*t right there.

Though in Al's defense, no WR was taken in the 1st round that year. Five went in the first 12 picks of the 2nd round: Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, and Eddie Royal. Nelson obviously is the star of the group, with Royal having a decent career, and Avery at least hung around the league.

DeSean Jackson came in a little further down in that 2nd round, along with some more not-great players: Jerome Simpson, Malcolm Kelly, and Limas Sweed.

Washington drafted two of these 9 guys, and the ones they picked were Thomas and Kelly.

*Legion* wrote:

Mayock's mock draft is out.

Interesting bits:

- Ronnie Stanley at #3 to the Chargers, first tackle taken.

- Cowboys take Elliott at #4

- Jags get Ramsey at #5, 49ers get Buckner at #7, making me happy

- Titans trade up to #6 to get Tunsil

- Has Conklin going #10 to the Giants, like I do. This is literally the first mock draft besides my own that I've seen suggesting Conklin could go that high

- Paxton Lynch at #20 to the Jets. Very easy to see that, and would ruin our pick #22 hopes and dreams

- He's got a few players in round 1 that I don't, all down in that 2nd half of the round. Darron Lee, Robert Nkemdiche, both of the Alabama DTs (Reed and Robinson), Will Fuller, and Artie Burns. Most of those names appear in my alternate options. Of that group, the only ones I didn't strongly consider putting in were Nkemdiche and Burns. The former because of off-the-field (marijuana arrest, involvement of bad family members in life, etc) that you just don't have to gamble on when there's so much other talent at that position, and Burns I just don't have ahead of Alexander. The rest of that group, if I made a two round mock draft, they all would have been near the top of round 2.

The idea that the Ravens would have a crack at Tunsil and elect to trade down to #15 and pick a WR is only believable if the Titans gave them all three of their second round pics and both of their thirds.

Somehow I think this is unlikely.