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http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.711...

The rabble demonstrating and writing in support of the soldier-executioner in Hebron sees him as a hero. Not just a victim, like the convicted murderer Roman Zadorov, for example, but a hero. E.A. — his full name remains under a gag order — is a folk hero because he murdered a dying Palestinian. Because, not despite.

This must be stated clearly. Perhaps for the first time in the history of the state, an abhorrent murder whose only obvious justification seems to be a hatred of Arabs and contempt for their lives, has become a heroic act. A murder that required no courage, a cowardly act of the highest order, has become heroic in the eyes of the masses, simply because it ended with a dead Palestinian bleeding on the road to the sound of their rejoicing.

We should probably line this with heavy plastic. *looks around*

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In all seriousness, does anyone have a good primer on the Israel-Palestine conflict and it's history that is at least relatively neutral for this powder-keg of an issue? All the recent opinion pieces in the UK right now about how there is/isn't an anti-Semitism problem in the Labour party is yet another reminder that I feel like I do not have a real understanding?

I know this might be asking for an impossibility here (my simple googling has shown that even the Wikipedia entry is viewed as objective by some, revisionist history by others), but I thought I would ask.

kuddles wrote:

In all seriousness, does anyone have a good primer on the Israel-Palestine conflict and it's history that is at least relatively neutral for this powder-keg of an issue? All the recent opinion pieces in the UK right now about how there is/isn't an anti-Semitism problem in the Labour party is yet another reminder that I feel like I do not have a real understanding?

I know this might be asking for an impossibility here (my simple googling has shown that even the Wikipedia entry is viewed as objective by some, revisionist history by others), but I thought I would ask.

John Green did an episode for Crash Course World History (I can't remember if it was I or II) that was pretty good and showed how both sides of the conflict share fault, where it's historical roots come from, etc... I can't get to it from work but I'll try later.

Frankly, if you can find a history write-up with which neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are happy, it's probably your best bet.

Farscry wrote:

Frankly, if you can find a history write-up with which neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are happy, it's probably your best bet. :P

See the second video onewild posted where people in comments claimed he was too pro-Israel and too pro-Palestine in the comments for weeks afterwards.

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http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.721...

Alqian, a resident of the Negev, was beaten by three border policemen who were out of uniform and walking around Rabin Square. They spotted him outside the supermarket where he works and asked him to identify himself, because they thought he might be a Palestinian working illegally. Alqian refused to show his identity card and the policemen began hitting him.

An eyewitness described what happened on his Facebook page: “An Arab worker at Super Yuda came out to throw out the garbage, when a guy in shorts came over to him and asked to see his identity card. [The worker said] my identity card is inside, who are you? He had barely finished speaking when he caught blows, but murderous blows, from [the guy] and a friend who was with him. These were blows I’d never seen in my life; teeth were flying in the air; the Arab was crushed.”

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Why would he.. I dont..
Is Israel off limits for P&C or something? That'd be kinda sad-ish.

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Maybe we can title it "Paleocon's Israel Cats All"

We have Venezuela thread which follows the same format. And Russia thread. No one's been complaining about those.

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For what it's worth, I'd definitely be interested in reading (cited) contrary arguments.

I definitely have some opinions about the Israeli / Palestinian morass, but am always open to learning and having those beliefs challenged.

maverickz wrote:

I'm just asking for truth in advertising.

Says the guy who responded to a request for a neutral history of the Israel-Palestine conflict by recommending a book written by the former Israeli ambassador to the US without disclosing such a significant conflict of interest.

[edit]If you're curious, Oren's got a clear record of being opposed to questioning Israel's actions or motives.

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So you agree with me then: it's not truth in advertising that's actually your complaint.

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Of course not. Nor have I read any of David Barton's work. I would rather spend my time and money on histories written by authors who don't have a clear public record of bias on the topics they are writing about.

Which is my point: you are complaining that Paleo is only sharing biased sources, but you did the same thing -- even worse, in my mind, is that you did so in response to a person specifically requesting something neutral.

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No, I am more comfortable reading things from someone whom I know has looked honestly and openly from as many angles as they can. I enjoy challenging my assumptions, as anyone who has participated in the P&C over the long-term will confirm.

As for the thread, well, it's a "catch all", so there's no specific agenda. I would prefer more news or investigative journalism links and less editorials, personally.

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Never mind.

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maverickz wrote:
Most wrote:

Why would he.. I dont..
Is Israel off limits for P&C or something? That'd be kinda sad-ish.

Imagine a thread composed entirely of links from Fox News about President Obama, without any other commentary.

Would you care to add some context to the Alqian incident? Something from a source you view as less biased perhaps?

I thought this sh*t show with airbnb was funny in one of those no I'm really crying ways.

boogle wrote:

I thought this sh*t show with airbnb was funny in one of those no I'm really crying ways.

Don't worry, the magic of Internet reviews will normalize things. The crowd spoke loud and clear on these accommodations in Abbottabad, Pakistan (NOTE: Buzzfeed article warning).

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