Having watched Episode 7, a couple more things occur to me:
The decision to replay elements of the story that we'd already seen immediately made me think of the film 'Rashomon', with its device of having different characters offering different versions of the same events. I wonder if the makers of 'The Acolyte' missed an opportunity here (or perhaps deliberately swerved away from it). Episode 7 really makes it explicit that the Jedi team has very different priorities, concerns and views of the world.
The second thing that stands out is that the basic story is too slight to sustain 8 episodes. I couldn't help wondering whether it might have been covered better as a two-parter in some 'Tales from the High Republic' anthology series. (I kept thinking of The Animatrix anthology that accompanied the sequels to The Matrix.)
I just don't feel like there's 6 hours worth of story here. That's not far short of the length of Original Trilogy.
Yep, show creator explicitly said Rasamon was an influence.
Overall, I like the ideas and the bones of the story, I just feel they were lazily and/or disjointedly executed. For example:
Maye burning down and the concrete and steel bunker by setting a notebook on fire. Makes no sense and distracts from that story element. Good story idea, but the design team created an industrial facility instead of a wood structure that would logically burn.
Cool ideas and a different look at the Jedi and the universe, just not consistently or coherently well executed.
My take is I really don't care if Disney wants to make movies and shows even if they suck. If they make money for them, all the more power to them. My problem is Disney will sue for copyright infringement and they tightly control their IP. By excluding the EU, they effectively killed it so no knew content in a world that many long time Star Wars fans have dedicated time reading books, playing games, etc... are now forced to either consume Disney Star Wars content, or stop being a Star Wars fan.
If Disney allowed or even encouraged the EU to keep going, or even the creation of a different Star Wars universe (maybe in the way Sorbicol was describing with the Jedi, Sith, etc in the background) then I wouldn't care if Disney makes another 10 RoS movies.
Copyright has become just one more way in which the commons has been walled off for the benefit of the very few.
Just finished the acolyte.
That was unsatisfying. Mostly ridiculous ending. Why is this so hard? You wouldn't think it would be that hard to make compelling interesting stories in this universe, but they just make weird stuff that makes little to no sense to me
Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
I loved it!!! 
Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
I really enjoyed it also. There are better places for discussion though for ex if you check out the Star Wars Explained youtube channel or discord there is a lot of good positive and constructive discussion 
I thought the ending was weak the show overall was worth the time
I thought the ending was weak the show overall was worth the time
Same.
I enjoyed The Acolyte. Thought episode should have been at least a hour. My main problem was things not being explained well like why did the little furry dude do things he was doing. It seemed like needed scenes were cut or never shot. Another example of this is one character says they are going turned themselves in but then does the complete opposite. It felt like they cut the scene where she has a change of heart. The weird thing is they could have just cut the scene where she says she is turning herself in and the story would have flowed better.
The overall story was straight forward enough to not be ruined by all the missing scenes. The battles were pretty. The lore easter eggs were cool. I liked all the actors with the good place guy and squid games guy being the stand outs.
Am I the only one that thought the thing in the cave was a witch that survived? I know who it was now but show didn't tell us anything,
I wanted to see more saber whip combat. One of the most unique sabers I have seen along with the umbrella saber and gun saber.
Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
What did you think of previous series?
That can help with the recommendation.
Watched the rest of The Acolyte. I really liked it, and am excited to see where they are going. It feels like the prequels, in that there are a lot of good ideas that I hope they do a better job exploring later.
Top_Shelf wrote:Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
What did you think of previous series?
That can help with the recommendation.
Andor was amazing.
S1 and 2 of Mando were good.
Ahsoka and Kenobi were boooooring.
Ahoksa was fine depending on how invested you were with Rebels, because really it was just the next season of that, which happened to be live action rather than animated.
Ahsoka was the best star wars live action series so far for me. I'd rank them Ahsoka, Mando, Andor, Acolyte, Boba, and Ben. However, Andor had the highest highs for me but also the lowest lows.
TS: Based on what you said I would give Acolyte a chance. The problem is the best stuff in Acolyte happens in the back half.
Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
Like most Star Wars IP, it is best enjoyed if you put yourself into the mindset of a 12-year old, and don't look too hard at plot holes.
I really enjoyed it. It brought forward some nice characters, some nice lore, and had some cool lightsaber battles.
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slazev wrote:Top_Shelf wrote:Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
What did you think of previous series?
That can help with the recommendation.Andor was amazing.
S1 and 2 of Mando were good.
Ahsoka and Kenobi were boooooring.
Well, I agree with all that and didn't enjoy Acolyte, besides the few fight scenes it had, so I guess that's a nay on the recommendation. You could check episode 5 which is basically just great fight scenes.
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I'm skipping TA, and at this juncture in time I´ve come to accept that I'm not going to get excited for SW anymore.
Unless, or...until they greenlight Padme and Palo, of course.
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Top_Shelf wrote:Thinking about trying Acolyte. Yeah or save my time?
Like most Star Wars IP, it is best enjoyed if you put yourself into the mindset of a 12-year old, and don't look too hard at plot holes.
I really enjoyed it. It brought forward some nice characters, some nice lore, and had some cool lightsaber battles.
Good point. I'm going to watch with my 11yo son.
I've finally caught up and finished watching The Acolyte.
It's nowhere near as bad as a lot of online commentary would have you believe, but at the same time it's so hideously unoriginal it's really quite painful. It's doing nothing new.
After 45 years, you really would have thought that someone could have come up with something a little better rather than just rehashing the same old thing over and over again.
Are you saying that you think that that moon is an actual moon?
Just you wait and see. It's a laser.
Finished The Acolyte. I thought it was okay. Manny Jacinto was definitely the highlight. It certainly had good bits and was overall a good story, but some of the very important scenes felt unsatisfying. Not "hold the idiot ball" level of bad writing, but like they could have been better.
Mae's book fire catching the stone temple on fire I'm fine with, as it clearly got onto the control panel when the oil lamp exploded, turning the paper fire into an oil fire and then an electrical fire that could spread along the wiring of the place. The electrical systems of an old, long-abandoned mining facility not being very well fireproofed is pretty believable to me.
Sol trying to explain himself to Osha after admitting he killed their mother is definitely the biggest instance for me, as he used the worst arguments possible.
I was trying to protect you.She's never going to believe she needed protection from her mother, especially as she already knew her mother was willing to let her go.
I did the right thing.You're telling her you think you were right to kill her mother. That's an argument you use to try to convince yourself, not her.
The only possible argument that might have gotten through to her was that he thought she was about to attack him and Torbin when she started turning into mist. She wasn't, of course, she was teleporting away, but he couldn't have known that. She probably would have still been mad enough about the years of lies to want to kill him, but I think the particular arguments he tried to use are what pushed her over the edge into actually killing him.
I suppose the biggest reason it felt unsatisfying to me is that it's got a characters making bad decisions. They're not making dumb decisions purely for plot purposes, which is something I truly loathe, but it's still disappointing to see them make some clearly wrong choices, so it's hard to feel good about what you just watched.
I also didn't come away with any sympathy for Mae, so the scene with Osha forgiving her and being sad about wiping her memory didn't land with me at all. While the fire Mae set didn't burn their mother or the other witches to death, it was the reason for the panic and misunderstanding that caused the Jedi and the witches to fight, so I still put a lot of the responsibility for their deaths on her, even if it was mostly accidental. Sol wasn't blameless, but his primary mistake was disobeying Indara's order to stay out of the temple once he stopped Torbin. Misreading the teleport as an attack was unfortunate, but much more understandable than Mae's decision to burn the book was, especially as he had Koril's constant and unmasked aggression to prime him to expect an attack.
Honest Trailers | The Acolyte
Huh. I heard it had good viewership numbers, despite the negative buzz.
Then again, buzz might be more strongly correlated with subscription rates than viewership is...
I am willing to bet that Skeleton Crew will have lower viewership numbers and yet get a second season.
Huh. I heard it had good viewership numbers, despite the negative buzz.
Then again, buzz might be more strongly correlated with subscription rates than viewership is...
Viewership started good, then sank pretty low. The review bombing didn't help with buzz either. I think that if this was 5-7 years ago a second season would have been greenlit before they finished airing the first one, but most streaming providers are far more cautious now about shows that cost a ton to make but only do "okay" in terms of reviews. I think it really could have benefited from a second season though. It'd have given us more Manny Jacinto, and he was the best part of the first season by far.
Huh. I heard it had good viewership numbers, despite the negative buzz.
Then again, buzz might be more strongly correlated with subscription rates than viewership is...
Are subs even a thing that the streamers track?
I suppose there are some people that sign up/off when things are hopping, but aren't most subscribers locked in and on auto-pilot? And aren't most streamers now no longer in rapid growth mode?
Unless we're talking about outside the US market?
I cannot believe that:
a) Acolyte was supposed to drive +5% net new subs (or whatever)
Or
b) immediately after it aired, there was a -10% (or whatever) dip in subs
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