Star Wars Misc. Catch-All

I am most of the way through a rewatch of season 1 after that announcement. So excited!!!

A little sad though that Ahsoka had the book now because I would have loved to see that story in this format.

manta173 wrote:

I am most of the way through a rewatch of season 1 after that announcement. So excited!!!

A little sad though that Ahsoka had the book now because I would have loved to see that story in this format.

The book was excellent though

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Obi wan continues to the the worst jedi

Ooh, Richard E Grant - I hope he gets to be a throwaway First Order officer and gets to do some silly stuff.

Looks like there's a second live action TV series coming based on Cassian Andor from Rogue One.

Assume it's a prequel

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Well that's a fantastic choice.

What's wrong with me?

Disney announces two shows that are prequels about a great character who is currently dead and played by a fantastic actor. One is a show about Loki - which I'm stoked for. The other is about Cassian which I just could not care less about.

The only thing I could think of is that Marvel has always moved forward so I'm now fine with getting a little back story whereas Star Wars has had SO MUCH back story thus far I just want something new timeline-wise

I was so happy when they killed the Boba Fett movie and I hoped we'd get more of something new. Even The Mandalorian is pre Force Awakens.

The universe is obviously big enough to tell a ton of stories set across different time periods. I just don't know why I can't get over this mental hump.

I'm with you. Disney seems insistent on circling the ten-or-so years before the original trilogy like a drain.

I think they are hamstrung on the later stuff until after third movie comes out so give the writers and directors canon freedom, and don;t want to disseminate the plot of the upcoming movies to authors to avoid leaks

I'm very curious to see what Rian Johnson's movies will tackle.

I take an opposite stance. I actually like when content comes out that works around an existing story and tries to enhance it by either explaining something or adding perspective.

Example from the EU in the spoiler section

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Such as when Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Vong before the clone wars and knew that he needed to have a machine that could destroy planets to deal with their planet ships and an army to fight them with. Makes him seem like he wasn't just in it for the power but to save the galaxy he was also a part of. Or explaining how the Kessel run shows how fast a ship is in parsecs even though it is a measurement of distance.

Detailing the Kessel Run is exactly the kind of thing I don't want from these new movies and shows.

kazar wrote:

I take an opposite stance. I actually like when content comes out that works around an existing story and tries to enhance it by either explaining something or adding perspective.

Example from the EU in the spoiler section

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Such as when Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Vong before the clone wars and knew that he needed to have a machine that could destroy planets to deal with their planet ships and an army to fight them with. Makes him seem like he wasn't just in it for the power but to save the galaxy he was also a part of. Or explaining how the Kessel run shows how fast a ship is in parsecs even though it is a measurement of distance.

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Palpatine I feel took advantage of that. He could have built the death start a little less vilianish like don't use slave labor and hold the galaxy hostage. Debating a fictional nerd point here so I totally get this is stupid.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Detailing the Kessel Run is exactly the kind of thing I don't want from these new movies and shows.

To each his own, but for me that is exactly the kind of thing I want.

Hobear wrote:
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Palpatine I feel took advantage of that. He could have built the death start a little less vilianish like don't use slave labor and hold the galaxy hostage. Debating a fictional nerd point here so I totally get this is stupid.

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Oh, no doubt he was evil. But it explains why the sith stopped being in the shadows like they had for over a thousand years.

I'm fine with some fleshing out of old stories BUT I always really want new stuff also.

/why not both gif

karmajay wrote:

I'm fine with some fleshing out of old stories BUT I always really want new stuff also.

/why not both gif

Because the new stuff gets crapped on repeatedly, without fail, by most of the SW Fandom. Which then leads to things like calling for Kathleen Kennedy’s head/job along with multiple directors, questioning all decisions as though they have an idea of how to do this and generally being toxic AF on all platforms.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Detailing the Kessel Run is exactly the kind of thing I don't want from these new movies and shows.

Same. All the Solo movie did for me was take out any of the mystique Solo's character had. On its own, it isn't a bad film, but I did not like it and in relation to what it does to the franchise, I do think it is bad.

I really liked Solo. The character was never mysterious to me so I liked getting more details of his past.

I think Rogue One was boring but I actually kind of loved Solo. I think this is what Clocky must feel like all the time and it's exhausting.

She's better than the rest of us.

Yeah Rogue One is the best SW movie since 1980.

I liked Rouge One better than Solo, but I thought Solo was alright. Being a Star Wars film held it back a bit, really. But I'll be happy if they step away from that part of the timeline for a good long while. They're no longer limited by trying to include the original actors (unfortunately, in Carrie Fisher's case) and they have thousands of years of Old Republic stuff they could draw on if they wanted to.

The two tricky parts are that you would need some kind of concrete connection to the overall setting (e.g. teach us something new about the Force) and you'd have to do a bunch of establishing work to get people up to speed, but it's certainly doable. Given that the EU has been reworked (but still mined for the good ideas) there's a lot of open space to expand into.

That, or we need the Ahsoka Tano movie.

The 64 million credit question is how much of the built-in love of SW is due to the original cast, and how much is due to the overall environment? Like, does a movie that takes place in the Old Republic manage to get the $1B-$2B level that Disney expects>

Rogue One deals with a critical plot point of a movie and has a Vader cameo in it... Solo deals with a main character's origin and was a commercial disappointment.

Will the new movies branch out with Rey/Poe etc.? It's not like Marvel where they can reboot like Marvel can with Spiderman (how many times have we seen the radioactive spider bite)?

Iridium884 wrote:

The 64 million credit question is how much of the built-in love of SW is due to the original cast, and how much is due to the overall environment? Like, does a movie that takes place in the Old Republic manage to get the $1B-$2B level that Disney expects>

Yep. It's hard to say at this point.

Rogue One deals with a critical plot point of a movie and has a Vader cameo in it... Solo deals with a main character's origin and was a commercial disappointment.

I'd argue that origin stories are universally the least interesting story you can tell about a character. Particularly in prequels, since they aren't allowed to develop past the point where they were introduced in the first story. Which, following the usual rules of a satisfying film plot arc, is a pretty low point.

(Some exceptions apply: a trickster like Loki or Coyote or Ys Pree Ashma doesn't develop in the same way that a heroic character does, and therefore has more scope for telling a before-story.)

Second, is Han Solo a beloved character of the present generation? I'd argue that he means a lot to people who were kids in 1977 and a lot less to people who were kids in 1999 or 2015. He's still popular, but he means more to 51-year-old nerds than to 20-year-old nerds.

Of course, if they're going to branch out, it'll help if there's stuff for fans to latch on to, like the name of a famous Sith or something. Which did help the Solo film when the Crimson Dawn villian showed up at the very end.

Will the new movies branch out with Rey/Poe etc.? It's not like Marvel where they can reboot like Marvel can with Spiderman (how many times have we seen the radioactive spider bite)?

This is why Doctor Who is the media franchise that will outlive all of us. It doesn't just have the Doctor regenerating into a new actor as a core part of the show. It doesn't just have the ability to go anywhere in space and time (and a few places that are neither space nor time). No, it explicitly includes rewriting the timeline and therefore the premise the current incarnation of the show is operating under.

As long as there is enough support at the BBC to continue reinventing the show, they can continue to revive it forever without running out of story material.

Of all the new movies, Rogue One feels the most Star Wars to me. I really enjoyed it, but I think for me the best Star Wars has always been inspired by homage to WW2. I also love the material that Rogue One is honoring and am pleased they pegged that genre so well while still being Star Wars.

I enjoyed solo as well, but i feel like Han Solo was the least interesting and engaging part of the movie so i think it's safe to say that my love of star wars is the move of the setting and not the characters. The expanded universe, the roleplay, that first MMO that was so hardcore on star wars cannon they wouldn't let you be a jedi, the tv series like Rebels and the side plots if Clone Wars that don't center around the "main" characters.

Iridium884 wrote:

The 64 million credit question is how much of the built-in love of SW is due to the original cast, and how much is due to the overall environment? Like, does a movie that takes place in the Old Republic manage to get the $1B-$2B level that Disney expects>

For me Star Wars is all about the universe. It's an interesting place that has some okay movies set in it. Overall I think the games generally tell more interesting stories, especially because they stay away from the central characters. Every TV show and movie focusing on the central characters diminishes the universe.

And it's definitely not the original cast. In A New Hope the only actor who didn't look they were reading from cue cards was Carrie Fisher. The fact that Harrison Ford had a huge career through the 80s and 90s and Fisher didn't is an actual crime.

+1 to every bit of love shown to Rogue One. It's rare for me to find a movie I like more on subsequent viewings, but that one absolutely does for me.

I love all of the new movies. I love some more than others. There’s no such thing as a perfect movie, so I have no problem overlooking certain details in the new material that might seem awkward.

Apparently many fans are pissed that Luke didn’t come back as a godlike superman. I wasn’t expecting Luke to take on the entire first order with a laser sword. To me that sounds like a boring movie. Last Jedi is my favorite of the new stuff. Once again, not a perfect movie, but damn did it deliver!

My biggest complaint is that the guy who played Solo just didn’t seem like young Han Solo. But I still loved the movie.

I hated both Rogue One and The Last Jedi. To me Star Wars is all about the characters and nothing has recaptured the magic of the original cast. The Force Awakens is my favourite of the new movies because it did the best job of making the characters feel like a family (and Han Solo's prominent role of course). The Last Jedi threw that out the window and Rogue One's characters were little more than cliche cardboard cutouts. I haven't seen Solo yet, but I actually think it looks pretty good. I'll catch it on Netflix later.

A movie set in the Old Republic or even focused on the rise of Darth Plagueis doesn't sway me one way or another. I have nostalgia for the OT, but I don't really have any attachment to the Star Wars universe itself. I have zero interest in what Disney does with Star Wars after Episode IX. I may watch or I may not, but they'll be essentially starting from square one after the Skywalker saga is over.

If I've learned anything from watching Rian Johnson movies, it's that he does not shy away from taking huge creative chances. He does not make conventional movies. Even The Last Jedi, a chapter in one of the longest running blockbuster series ever, was unconventional (and boy did he pay for that on social media).

I suspect the new Star Wars setting will be weird and wonderful and full of interesting characters and story potential, because that's what Rian Johnson does.