Between this episode and the new opening credits for Star Trek: Lower Decks, it's been a banner week for space whales.
What do you think Ahsoka learned in the World Between Worlds? My take is that it is that she was trained as a Jedi primarily war and fighting and that she didn't fully understand Jedi's were also about peace and service. It's again a balance.
She doesn't have to follow Anakin's path to the dark side just because she was trained as a warrior, and by throwing her lightsabers away instead of killing Dark Anakin, that she realized there is a different path she can take. I assume that will mean she'll save Ezra some way that doesn't solely rely on fighting. I expect her to go back to a more Snips-ish disposition as well in her new white cloak.
I hate the rank insignia the New Republic has. They always remind of packages of cough drops.
I hate the rank insignia the New Republic has. They always remind of packages of cough drops.
Whatever Jacen had on looked like an old school garage door opener.
First its the baby yoda. Then it is the baby leia. Now it is the baby ahsoka. I'm sick and tired of all these MF ing babies it this MF ing space drama.
Look at me. I'm so cute. I'm a baby. I'm going to sell toys to babies, man babies, and yucky girls. This is not my star wars this is star wars for babies.
I need feeding, changing, and a nap.
Spoiler:First its the baby yoda. Then it is the baby leia. Now it is the baby ahsoka. I'm sick and tired of all these MF ing babies it this MF ing space drama.
Look at me. I'm so cute. I'm a baby. I'm going to sell toys to babies, man babies, and yucky girls. This is not my star wars this is star wars for babies.
I need feeding, changing, and a nap.
I hate the rank insignia the New Republic has. They always remind of packages of cough drops.
They just remind me of dice.
Hera rolled a five.
Tauntaun Chow would make a good band name.
This episode left me a little confused about a couple of things:
First, the rules of the world-between-worlds.
Can those pathways through it really be broken in the way that Anakin did? If so, what are the implications of that. Are routes to the past and future being lost permanently?
And were Ashoka and Anakin actually back in The Clone Wars, or were they merely in a simulacrum of those events? Hitherto, I understood the world-between-worlds to be like the backstage of a theatre or a theme park; full of short cuts to real places. But now it appears that it can also act as a stage for recreating events that took place in real places.
Second, how much time has now elapsed since Morgan, Baylan et al departed for the other galaxy? That is, how far ahead of Ashoka are they? It wasn't very clear whether the events of Episode 5 had taken minutes, hours or days.
At one point, we are told that Ashoka had been asleep "one rotation" (presumably, one planetary day) but I don't know what that means in practice.
Re: the rules of the world-between-worlds.
I think any questions about this can easily be swept away as "this was all a vision in Ashoka's head"- likely force Anakin was really him communicating with her, but any settings, like the world-between-worlds or the clone wars battles were dream-like recreations of places/events she had been been to before to give context to their conversation.
Re: the rules of the world-between-worlds.
I think any questions about this can easily be swept away as "this was all a vision in Ashoka's head"- likely force Anakin was really him communicating with her, but any settings, like the world-between-worlds or the clone wars battles were dream-like recreations of places/events she had been been to before to give context to their conversation.
That would make sense if not for Jacen, and then Hera, hearing their lightsaber fight. Maybe they were just eavesdropping on Ahsoka's inner monologue...
That’s not a Purina logo. It’s clearly a blister pack of Sucrets.
Tscott wrote:Re: the rules of the world-between-worlds.
I think any questions about this can easily be swept away as "this was all a vision in Ashoka's head"- likely force Anakin was really him communicating with her, but any settings, like the world-between-worlds or the clone wars battles were dream-like recreations of places/events she had been been to before to give context to their conversation.
Spoiler:That would make sense if not for Jacen, and then Hera, hearing their lightsaber fight. Maybe they were just eavesdropping on Ahsoka's inner monologue...
I don't think Hera could hear it, but she trusted that Jacen could (she knew from her time with Kanan to trust when a Force sensitive person experiences something no one else does), so she sent them out to search again anyways.
As for the rules of the World Between Worlds, we simply don't know them. We do know that when Ezra pulled Ashoka in to the WBW out of a moment in time, she was not present in the physical world until she left the WBW. I think ghost Anakin pulled her into the WBW as she fell, and her body wasn't physically on that planet anymore, which is why they couldn't find her until she was sent back. The portal in time and space where he pulled her in was likely still active, which is probably why Jacen could hear their fight, even if he couldn't perceive the portal. As for how Anakin made her relive some of her past battles? No idea, but probably something he picked up as a force ghost residing in the WBW. I definitely don't think it was just Ashokas unconcious mind using past experiences for context though. That doesn't seem like something Filoni would do when he could expand on the WBW instead.
It could be that Hera's piloting talent is because she is also Force sensitive.
I think there's been speculation by characters in-world that a lot of the best pilots are Force sensitive to some degree. Didn't The Force Awakens strongly imply that's how Han was able to bring the Falcon out of hyperspace in between Starkiller Base's shield and surface?
Back to the most recent Ahsoka episode... I can see why Hayden Christiansen was keen to come back for this. Those were some of the best Anakin/Vader scenes yet.
JLS wrote:Tscott wrote:Re: the rules of the world-between-worlds.
I think any questions about this can easily be swept away as "this was all a vision in Ashoka's head"- likely force Anakin was really him communicating with her, but any settings, like the world-between-worlds or the clone wars battles were dream-like recreations of places/events she had been been to before to give context to their conversation.
Spoiler:That would make sense if not for Jacen, and then Hera, hearing their lightsaber fight. Maybe they were just eavesdropping on Ahsoka's inner monologue...
I don't think Hera could hear it, but she trusted that Jacen could (she knew from her time with Kanan to trust when a Force sensitive person experiences something no one else does), so she sent them out to search again anyways.
I think she could, and that reinforces what they're trying to do with Sabine not having an easy access to the force. Anybody can access it, just not easily. Once Jacen showed Hera, she vaguely heard it.
That’s not a Purina logo. It’s clearly a blister pack of Sucrets.
Cannot unsee.
Once Jacen showed Hera, she vaguely heard it.
That was what I thought was happening when I watched the episode.
It surprised me a little.
Lateish to the party with this one, but having had my expectations of Asoka tempered slightly by the ongoing discourse of the last several weeks, I've actually been really enjoying it. Yes, you really need to have seen Rebels to get the backstory. Yes, I'm now very annoyed about the obsession of Star Maps that can, apparently a 100 years or more out tell where someone has been transported to. Or that people couldn't track ships through Hyperspace all that long ago but now you just need a hyperspace airtag.
But it's moving along at its own pace, it's good fun, Rosario Dawson, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Ray Stevenson are all clearly enjoying themselves and the sound track is superb.
There's a lot to like about it imo.
Yes, I'm now very annoyed about the obsession of Star Maps that can, apparently a 100 years or more out tell where someone has been transported to.
That isn't what the star map is doing. It is pointing to where the purrgil go as part of their migratory patterns, which happens to be how Ezra and Thrawn got to where they are. This is something they have been doing for thousands of years, possibly before galactic civilization.
Or that people couldn't track ships through Hyperspace all that long ago but now you just need a hyperspace airtag.
While I wasn't a fan of The Last Jedi, the idea was that before that movie, when a ship jumps to hyperspace, you at best see the general direction they are going but once they enter hyperspace they are gone until they re-emerge in normal space. In the expanded universe, if someone was trying to not be followed, they would make a short jump out of a system, then plot their real course so the direction couldn't be assumed.
In A New Hope, the Falcon had a "airtag" on it after escaping the death star. Once the ship returns to normal space, the tracker sends out a ping which reveals their location. But it takes time for the ships to persue. This also was in the very first Star Wars movie, nothing new. In The Last Jedi they found a way track a ship while it is in hyperspace, so they could follow it and appear almost immediately after they return to normal space. From what I can discern, no "airtag" required.
And then in Rise of Skywalker they decided that hyperspace travel is instantaneous...
Ah crap, I've gone and thought about the first half of Episode 9 again. If anyone needs me I'll be off looking for a way to cheer myself up.
JJ did that with Star Trek too. Zip zip Earth, Vulcan, wherever.
Sorbicol wrote:Yes, I'm now very annoyed about the obsession of Star Maps that can, apparently a 100 years or more out tell where someone has been transported to.
That isn't what the star map is doing. It is pointing to where the purrgil go as part of their migratory patterns, which happens to be how Ezra and Thrawn got to where they are. This is something they have been doing for thousands of years, possibly before galactic civilization.
Sorbicol wrote:Or that people couldn't track ships through Hyperspace all that long ago but now you just need a hyperspace airtag.
While I wasn't a fan of The Last Jedi, the idea was that before that movie, when a ship jumps to hyperspace, you at best see the general direction they are going but once they enter hyperspace they are gone until they re-emerge in normal space. In the expanded universe, if someone was trying to not be followed, they would make a short jump out of a system, then plot their real course so the direction couldn't be assumed.
In A New Hope, the Falcon had a "airtag" on it after escaping the death star. Once the ship returns to normal space, the tracker sends out a ping which reveals their location. But it takes time for the ships to persue. This also was in the very first Star Wars movie, nothing new. In The Last Jedi they found a way track a ship while it is in hyperspace, so they could follow it and appear almost immediately after they return to normal space. From what I can discern, no "airtag" required.
The first point falls apart when you consider that Purgills must be able to go anywhere at any time in the Universe, and must have other migration routes. That map just happens to point to where Thrawn is? At the end of one specific migration route when they have no idea which route Ezra & Thrawn were sent down initially? Hmmmm. It's not a plot point that really stands up to a lot of scrutiny. It'll sail over the head of anyone who's not seen Rebels admittedly, but logically it makes no sense at all. They have no idea where Thrawn and Ezra are, they are just guessing. Very hard.
The second - yeah maybe I'll give you that. The point still remains though that effectively you can still track ships through Hyperspace. A tag is a tag, if you don't know it's there you still can't escape it, even if it takes a little longer to chase it down.
Guys, this is space fantasy with magic and laser swords, let's all just calm down a bit.
The first point falls apart when you consider that Purgills must be able to go anywhere at any time in the Universe, and must have other migration routes. That map just happens to point to where Thrawn is? At the end of one specific migration route when they have no idea which route Ezra & Thrawn were sent down initially? Hmmmm. It's not a plot point that really stands up to a lot of scrutiny. It'll sail over the head of anyone who's not seen Rebels admittedly, but logically it makes no sense at all. They have no idea where Thrawn and Ezra are, they are just guessing. Very hard.
No, they mustn't. Purrgil cannot travel anywhere they want anytime they want. That's never been how they've been shown to work. They have other migration routes within the galaxy, sure, but if Ezra and Thrawn were alive within this galaxy, they'd have been found by now. Especially since following purrgil along those in-galaxy routes were how the first hyperspace lanes were established, so if they were just along those routes and alive, they wouldn't have to wait long for any signal they could send to be picked up. This migration path is to a whole different galaxy, and there aren't going to be lots of routes between two galaxies given the fuel requirements for the trip and the precision required for the coordinates. And ultimately yes, they are just guessing that the Purrgil took Ezra and Thrawn there, but it's because they've exhausted all the other possibilities. This isn't the first time they've searched for Ezra, or that the Empire searched for Thrawn, but it's the best lead they've ever had.
The first point falls apart when you consider that Purgills must be able to go anywhere at any time in the Universe, and must have other migration routes. That map just happens to point to where Thrawn is? At the end of one specific migration route when they have no idea which route Ezra & Thrawn were sent down initially? Hmmmm. It's not a plot point that really stands up to a lot of scrutiny. It'll sail over the head of anyone who's not seen Rebels admittedly, but logically it makes no sense at all. They have no idea where Thrawn and Ezra are, they are just guessing. Very hard.
Purgills are modeled after whales, which do have migratory patterns. Humpback whales for example will mate and give birth in the same place. In other species like Canadian Geese, they will follow a migratory pattern to a fault, where sometimes their stopping area which used to be wetlands is now a parking lot and they will still land there and hang out for a week.
My interpretation is that the purgill go to the other galaxy to spawn, and come back to eat. So that map can be very accurate as to where Ezra and Thrawn's destination in the other galaxy.
Guys, this is space fantasy with magic and laser swords, let's all just calm down a bit.
Just finished the latest episode...why is it so freaking slow? 2 minutes of something happening and 40 minutes of being bored to death.
And it isn't like this is the only Disney series with this issue; it has been a problem with the Falcon and the Winter Solider, WandaVision, Obi-Wan, etc. It feels to me like they just don't have a great deal of content but management says - fill hours, no matter how dull.
Is it weird when the title character is only in the show for 5 minutes?
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