Star Wars Misc. Catch-All

So, Boba Fett and the Mods now is it? My feeling about this show can be summed up in the phrase ‘JUST SHOOT SOMEBODY ALREADY!’

At first it was looking like a dud of a episode but it grew on me.

Sorbicol wrote:

So, Boba Fett and the Mods now is it? My feeling about this show can be summed up in the phrase ‘JUST SHOOT SOMEBODY ALREADY!’

Fett has a Fennic, 2 Gam guards and now 4 street bangers. The droid has stated the whole city is held together by uneasy alliances between the families and the mayor. Fett seems to be smart enough that he can't just shoot anyone he wants whenever. He definitely did not have the fire power for war.

I'm surprised Boba hasn't said, "I liked it better in the sarlacc pit" yet. That is one long-suffering dude.

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... couldn't offer Black Krrsantan a contract instead of letting him just walk?

Rat Boy wrote:

... couldn't offer Black Krrsantan a contract instead of letting him just walk?

I fell like they'll be back.

Also I enjoyed the first conversation between Boba Fett and the street gang.

"Where did you get that water?' "We stole it" "You shouldn't steal stuff" "Aren't you a CRIME LORD?" lol

Thought this was interesting.

Watching Ep 2 now....I am bored to tears. I assume we are to get the idea that the sand people have a deeper culture than we know...and that Boba Fett is a f*cking moron. Or at least constantly puts himself in stupid situations.

Overall it is just so dull....look he is getting wood to make a bantha stick, now he is slowly crafting it, now he is dancing, etc...., dull, dull, dull.

farley3k wrote:

look he is getting wood to make a bantha stick

Sigh, Gaffi stick

What amazes me from the series is how well they reproduced Jabba's throne room. The throne itself was added as Jabba just laid on the slab, but everything else was recreated to match Return of the Jedi.

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farley3k wrote:

Watching Ep 2 now....I am bored to tears. I assume we are to get the idea that the sand people have a deeper culture than we know...and that Boba Fett is a f*cking moron. Or at least constantly puts himself in stupid situations.

Overall it is just so dull....look he is getting wood to make a bantha stick, now he is slowly crafting it, now he is dancing, etc...., dull, dull, dull.

Eh?

The biggest question about Boba Fett since he got popular was "Did he ever escape?" The biggest question about Boba Fett since he showed up in Mando was "Where has he been and why is he getting the armor now?"

This show has done a good job answering those questions and building Fett's character in this new time frame. All this back story will serve in the 2nd half of the show I'm sure.

I'm not sure how the show is showing Fett to be a moron though.

Fett is a moron for not hiring the wookiee. Rule one always let the wookiee win. Rule two hire the wookiee.

kazar wrote:
farley3k wrote:

look he is getting wood to make a bantha stick

Sigh, Gaffi stick

The line is "Gaffi sticks. Bantha tracks." It's an easy mistake to make.

karmajay wrote:
farley3k wrote:

Watching Ep 2 now....I am bored to tears. I assume we are to get the idea that the sand people have a deeper culture than we know...and that Boba Fett is a f*cking moron. Or at least constantly puts himself in stupid situations.

Overall it is just so dull....look he is getting wood to make a bantha stick, now he is slowly crafting it, now he is dancing, etc...., dull, dull, dull.

Eh?

The biggest question about Boba Fett since he got popular was "Did he ever escape?" The biggest question about Boba Fett since he showed up in Mando was "Where has he been and why is he getting the armor now?"

This show has done a good job answering those questions and building Fett's character in this new time frame. All this back story will serve in the 2nd half of the show I'm sure.

I'm not sure how the show is showing Fett to be a moron though.

He's not quite a moron, but he certainly seems way more naïve that I'd expect one of the most feared bounty hunters in the galaxy to be, and more than he was during his appearance on The Mandalorian. All the stuff he's just finding out now and the allies he's making are things he should have done *well before* taking out Bib Fortuna and trying to take over as the daiymo. His plan appears to have been "kill Fortuna, take all his stuff, expect that everyone else will make the transition as smooth as possible for me." So while he may not be a moron, his plan (if he actually had one beyond killing Fortuna) is certainly moronic. He's far too reactive, when he needs to be proactive.

I'm still enjoying the show, but it doesn't help with the accusation that Fett's reputation from the original trilogy was unearned.

Also, the speeder chase seemed really weird. The bikes & riders weren't acting like they were going as fast as the rest of the scene would have required them to have been going.

Stengah wrote:

Also, the speeder chase seemed really weird. The bikes & riders weren't acting like they were going as fast as the rest of the scene would have required them to have been going.

Yeah. That was what stood out to me as well. They seemed to be going very, very slow. Much slower than the land speeder that Luke had in Ep IV seemed to be able to go.

That is because they were inside the town and must obey the speed laws. All of you would fail your speeder bike driving test.

It seems like some people here are straight off Tatooine, thinking Boba Fett should just act like Jabba did to keep his power. It's very clear that's exactly what he doesn't want to do. He's getting the lay of the land- figuring out the complexities and motivations of everyone before he acts. If he acted as everyone expected, he would've just shot the water thieves and gotten a little extra from the water gouger guy. Instead he got some allies and found out the corruption behind the guy's request and took steps to remedy it. I imagine it'll take a few more moves to fully make this play, but my money's on Boba. He's playing (holo)chess when everyone expecting him to play checkers.

I like how he's trying to rule differently than Jabba, but he already acted by killing Fortuna and assuming his throne. He should have gotten the lay of the land and figured out the motivations of people before he did that, doing it now is just poor planning. What he's doing now is just bumbling into things. He's competently reacting to the things he's bumbled into, but he's still just taking on problems as they come rather than actively trying to prevent them. That might work well for a bounty hunter, but not for a crime lord that plans to rule through respect rather than fear.

TBH it is a real accurate representation of people that are really good at something and then jump way up the chain quickly and get in over there head. I agree that it may be a bit naïve but IMO that is what the story is trying to tell. Boba Fett was a feared bounty hunter that went through a mid life crisis/change but did not change those old goals up and is now in a situation that is trying to push him back to his old old super violent ways. The story beats where he has to keep reacting are there to back up these types of positions. If he just came in and did everything right we would have a one ep story. They are also trying to show growth to the character. Giving the street gang jobs instead of just killing them for showing him backbone is an example of this.

That might work well for a bounty hunter, but not for a crime lord that plans to rule through respect rather than fear.

This is what the whole season is about in regards to the "present" part f the show - the transition and if he can handle it.

Ruling through Fear would have been killing the Mayor’s aide as soon as he turned up at Jabba’s palace with nothing but words in the first episode. Blow his head off, then go and make it pointedly clear to everyone on Tatooine just what a bad idea it was by slaughtering the Mayor and everyone and everything in the building.

Fett let him go and then visited the Mayor and gave him a second chance. The Mayor basically called Fett out, then sent Assassins after them both.

Then Fett goes to see the Mayor again. He waits in the reception area, again. He’s letting the Mayor continue to treat him like a fool. Indeed, without respect.

Everything that Star Wars has told us about Fett as a character is that he just would not allow that to happen. Giving the mayor two chances and still doing nothing about it? Rubbish. He’d have gone back, forced the receptionist and aide out of the way and then blown the bloody doors off, at a minimum.

Given how The Mandalorian handled such situations, I find it very hard indeed to believe Book of Fett is apparently retconning the amorality of the character. The Mandalorian shows that Disney don’t really have an issue with showing that side of people, so I don’t understand why they aren’t doing this for Book of Fett.

It’s just really really weird.

karmajay wrote:

TBH it is a real accurate representation of people that are really good at something and then jump way up the chain quickly and get in over there head. I agree that it may be a bit naïve but IMO that is what the story is trying to tell. Boba Fett was a feared bounty hunter that went through a mid life crisis/change but did not change those old goals up and is now in a situation that is trying to push him back to his old old super violent ways. The story beats where he has to keep reacting are there to back up these types of positions. If he just came in and did everything right we would have a one ep story. They are also trying to show growth to the character. Giving the street gang jobs instead of just killing them for showing him backbone is an example of this.

That might work well for a bounty hunter, but not for a crime lord that plans to rule through respect rather than fear.

This is what the whole season is about in regards to the "present" part f the show - the transition and if he can handle it.

I think the issue stems from they way they're delivering the exposition. Having the droid explain each new problem like it's completely new information to Fett and Shand makes it seem like they were clueless about what they were getting into. Having Fett be the one to outline the challanges they faced rather than the droid would fix a lot of it, as it'd at least mean he was aware of the things that would be problems before they came up.

Everything that Star Wars has told us about Fett as a character is that he just would not allow that to happen. Giving the mayor two chances and still doing nothing about it? Rubbish. He’d have gone back, forced the receptionist and aide out of the way and then blown the bloody doors off, at a minimum.

Everything we know about Fett occurred BEFORE escaping the sarlacc pit and the back story afterwards we are seeing in the show. So that doesn't seem to really apply here.

Having the droid explain each new problem like it's completely new information to Fett and Shand makes it seem like they were clueless about what they were getting into.

But they ARE clueless about what it takes! They have both spent there careers doing the things not being the big boss. IMO the "present" part of the show is all about them trying to take on this position without knowing what it entails or what the environment is like and then showing how the "past" sections are going to get them through it or past it.

They shouldn't be completely clueless about what it takes, though. They may not know all the specifics but they should know far more about the power structure of criminal enterprises than they have demonstrated, as they've both had to navigate working for them for decades. If they are truly this clueless, it goes back to Fetts fearsome reputation being unearned.

karmajay wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:

Everything that Star Wars has told us about Fett as a character is that he just would not allow that to happen. Giving the mayor two chances and still doing nothing about it? Rubbish. He’d have gone back, forced the receptionist and aide out of the way and then blown the bloody doors off, at a minimum.

Everything we know about Fett occurred BEFORE escaping the sarlacc pit and the back story afterwards we are seeing in the show. So that doesn't seem to really apply here.

Well. Maybe so. But I'm willing to bet that most people invested in Star Wars would much rather Fett blew the bloody doors off rather than continually not shoot people.

This vid maybe says it better then I do with some receipts.

If they are truly this clueless, it goes back to Fetts fearsome reputation being unearned.

In 2022 there have been a couple of years of Boba Fett in canon comic books being a fearsome bounty hunter so the unearned rep thing is not valid unless you ONLY look at the OT movies.

Which makes it more weird that he has been as clueless as he's been in this show. To clarify, when I say he's clueless I don't mean he's being clueless about how things work in general, I mean he's being clueless about the specific situation he deliberately inserted himself into. He should know enough about Mos Espa's underworld to have anticipated a lot of this.
I do like how he's handling the situations he's finding himself in, it's just that the show presenting them as if he hadn't expected them to occur that bugs me.

It's more fitting for a story where the person is unexpectedly thrust into the situation by someone else rather than something they choose to do on their own. Like if he was assigned to take over Jabba's territory with just himself and Shand rather than choosing it himself.

Fett did barge into the Mayor's office in episode 2. He wasn't violent about it and the meeting didn't go particularly well for him, but he wasn't a total pushover either.

I think what's going on is a combination of Fett not fully understanding the position and everyone else underestimating what he's capable of. Plus a bit of mistaking patience for weakness. That's a bit more nuanced than Star Wars usually shoots for and it remains to be seen if the show can actually pull it off, but at this point I give them some credit for trying.

karmajay wrote:
If they are truly this clueless, it goes back to Fetts fearsome reputation being unearned.

In 2022 there have been a couple of years of Boba Fett in canon comic books being a fearsome bounty hunter so the unearned rep thing is not valid unless you ONLY look at the OT movies.

Boba Fett lives on a pink flubber planet, rides dinosaurs, and calls everyone "friend." Anything else is a retcon of dubious canonicity.

Overall I’m finding this series incredibly boring. That speeder chase was just awful.

The Mandalorian is the way better “Boba Fett” show. (Mysterious bounty hunter with badass armor known for never taking his helmet off.)