NFL 2016: Offseason: Pre-Draft / St. Louis Trolling

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, he's never been benched for Blaine Gabbert.

He was benched for Josh McCown whose brother Luke McCown was benched for Gabbert, so he's like a cousin of Gabbert benching or something.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Not like Denver has a lot of options. I do think one potentially good option (and not just as a Bucs fan) would be to trade for Mike Glennon. Big arm, reasonably turnover-averse, has certainly shown signs of competence while playing for an awful team, and seems like someone who could certainly manage the game while a great defense is keeping control on the other side of the ball.

Glennon is probably less likely to be an outright disaster, but he has zero upside. If I'm Kubiak and I love nothing more than stretch runs, bootlegs, and rollouts, I might be looking at Kaepernick as a guy that I can fix that has high upside, especially since my offense doesn't force him into deep throws often, and deep passes are where Kaepernick's percentages nosedive.

I cannot imagine Mike Glennon running those stretch plays and rollouts, though it would be so hilariously awkward to watch that it would be worth the price of admission.

Hush. Glennon combines Osweilet's height with a bizarrely-exaggerated upper-body feature (his neck vs. Peyton's forehead), making him a perfect synthesis of Denver's former QBs.

Also, he's never been benched for Blaine Gabbert.

Don't change. Ever.

The Giants signed Oliver Vernon for five years, $85 million, $52.5 guaranteed.

That is $1.81 million per career sack in guarantees.

No they didn't. They signed Olivier Vernon. The Jaguars signed Oliver Vernon

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Not like Denver has a lot of options. I do think one potentially good option (and not just as a Bucs fan) would be to trade for Mike Glennon. Big arm, reasonably turnover-averse, has certainly shown signs of competence while playing for an awful team, and seems like someone who could certainly manage the game while a great defense is keeping control on the other side of the ball.

Glennon is probably less likely to be an outright disaster, but he has zero upside. If I'm Kubiak and I love nothing more than stretch runs, bootlegs, and rollouts, I might be looking at Kaepernick as a guy that I can fix that has high upside, especially since my offense doesn't force him into deep throws often, and deep passes are where Kaepernick's percentages nosedive.

I cannot imagine Mike Glennon running those stretch plays and rollouts, though it would be so hilariously awkward to watch that it would be worth the price of admission.

You know who's good at stretch runs, bootlegs and rollouts? These studs. Suit up, boys.

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The Giants signed Oliver Vernon for five years, $85 million, $52.5 guaranteed.

That is $1.81 million per career sack in guarantees.

$52.5 mil guaranteed on an $85 mil contract, my lord. Giants wanted him badly. Be interesting to see how much of that guarantee is front-loaded and how much is being pushed into the future.

Vector wrote:

No they didn't. They signed Olivier Vernon. The Jaguars signed Oliver Vernon :)

Dave Caldwell: "Instructions unclear, signed Kate Vernon."

Spoiler:

I would bet on Ellen Tigh being more effective at getting to quarterbacks than some of the pass rushers the Jaguars have put on the field.

Certis wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Not like Denver has a lot of options. I do think one potentially good option (and not just as a Bucs fan) would be to trade for Mike Glennon. Big arm, reasonably turnover-averse, has certainly shown signs of competence while playing for an awful team, and seems like someone who could certainly manage the game while a great defense is keeping control on the other side of the ball.

Glennon is probably less likely to be an outright disaster, but he has zero upside. If I'm Kubiak and I love nothing more than stretch runs, bootlegs, and rollouts, I might be looking at Kaepernick as a guy that I can fix that has high upside, especially since my offense doesn't force him into deep throws often, and deep passes are where Kaepernick's percentages nosedive.

I cannot imagine Mike Glennon running those stretch plays and rollouts, though it would be so hilariously awkward to watch that it would be worth the price of admission.

You know who's good at stretch runs, bootlegs and rollouts? These studs. Suit up, boys.

IMAGE(https://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gettyimages-116613485.jpg?w=640&h=360&crop=1)

Is that Jake the Snake?

Plummer did have one of the best bootlegs in football.

*Legion* wrote:

Plummer did have one of the best bootlegs in football.

So then why isn't he on Dancing with the Stars?

Raiders land Sean Smith. Things are looking up in Oakland, eh?

Fleener ended up at the Saints. Don't recall anyone mentioning that. He ended up getting less than Dwayne Allen did from the Colts, which is kinda weird but in terms of talent I prefer Allen. Then again, Allen hasn't been able to stay on the field, so this is another Colts move that will probably look stupid. One step closer to Grigson being axed. Or not.

Kaepernick is Denver's "chief target." One wonders if that word was used intentionally.

Kaep to Denver seems like an interesting fit, one I didn't expect to really have to consider.

Does that mean Gabbert is gonna start for the 49ers?

Rat Boy wrote:

Kaepernick is Denver's "chief target." One wonders if that word was used intentionally.

Not sure if Silver was quoting someone from Denver, but I know the Chiefs signed Mitch Schwartz, and immediately information was out about how he shut down Von Miller last season. It's fun that the Chiefs are finally good enough to now build their team beat Denver, and vice versa.

If Ben Grubbs comes back healthy, the Chiefs are beginning to build a pretty good OL. LT is still an issue, but Fisher is starting to show improvement. I don't think he will ever be the guy worth the first pick in the draft, though.

Otherwise, it was good Day of FA in KC. Like They kept Derrick Johnson, Jaye Howard, as well as another pass reserve pass rusher. There were rumors going that they had a shot in keeping Sean Smith, too. Obviously that fell through.

garion333 wrote:

Kaep to Denver seems like an interesting fit, one I didn't expect to really have to consider.

Does that mean Gabbert is gonna start for the 49ers?

It means the 49ers are going to draft Goff or Wentz (whomever Cleveland doesn't take) and let them compete for the job. If they get Goff, he probably starts sooner rather than later.

San Francisco apparently asking for a 2nd rounder for Kap, Denver seems to be offering a 3rd.

KC should trade for Kap just to piss off Elway. We know where Niner QBs are supposed to go.

He could stand to play a year or two as a back-up anyway. I think it would do him more good than getting default starting job somewhere.

Browns and Jets both also in talks with the 49ers for Kap, and so soon after having denied interest.

garion333 wrote:

Raiders land Sean Smith. Things are looking up in Oakland, eh?

Sucks that San Francisco didn't win this one. Would be nice if they spent some of that mountain of cap money on someone while there are still good FAs left.

I would like the 49ers (or the Jags for that matter) to pursue Prince Amukamara. Granted, he misses a lot of games, but he is a very good corner when he's on the field.

Jayhawker wrote:

but I know the Chiefs signed Mitch Schwartz

I totally missed this. Let me quote from Cleveland.com.

1. Mitchell Schwartz: The Browns made Schwartz an offer shortly before the NFL Combine that was far below what he felt he could get on the open market. Sources said it was somewhere in the $7 million-a-year range. His agent, Deryk Gilmore, told the Browns that the former second-round pick would test free agency. Schwartz' goal was about $8 million to $10 million a year, taking into account the growing importance of the position against the Von Millers of the world. When Schwartz opted to test the market, the Browns assumed he was gone and turned their attention to other players.

But Gilmore told cleveland.com Thursday that Schwartz wanted to return to Cleveland and wishes he could've stayed. His fiancee is from here, he purchased a house here and he's entrenched in the community. After testing the market, which wasn't good for right tackles, Schwartz went back to the Browns in the hours before free agency and ultimately planned to accept their pre-combine offer. But they were informed by Cleveland that the offer no longer stood, at least not at $7 million a year. It may have been posturing on the Browns' part, but any hopes of reaching a deal were apparently dashed when NFL Network reported Wednesday morning that the Browns had pulled their offer.

Feeling Cleveland was no longer an option, Schwartz opted to sign a five-year, $33 million deal with the Chiefs, including about $15 million guaranteed. His brother, Geoff Schwartz, congratulated him on the deal after the "nonsense'' he endured during the day, presumably from the Browns. NFL Network's Mike Silver reported that the Browns didn't negotiate in good faith.

In the end, the Browns had moved on before Wednesday when Schwartz opted to test the market without engaging with their $7 million offer. For Schwartz' part, it's common for a player to shop a team's number in hopes of making more.

Ultimately, he didn't, at least not in terms of yearly average. The $6.6 million a year average makes him the second-highest paid right tackle in the NFL, but it's short of the payday he was hoping for. The Browns now have to hope that Austin Pasztor can step in, or they need to find a replacement. Bottom line: It didn't have to come to this. The Browns were willing to pay Schwartz $7 million a year, more than he's getting from the Chiefs. His $15 million guaranteed from Kansas City is more than what the Browns were offering, but a deal could've been struck had things not gotten ugly on Wednesday. It's unfortunate for both sides.

Come on, people. Just because you were hired by Cleveland doesn't mean you have to act like all the other buffoons who've been through the doors.

Also, Alex Mack is making more than Schwartz. That blows my mind.

That is amazing. How the hell do the Browns let Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz both walk out the door?

Sashi Brown: "My advanced metrics indicate that offensive linemen score ZERO points on average. In fact, only a few have scored points in the entire history of the league! We need to spend our money on guys that score points."

Paul DePodesta: "They're so slow, we need baserunners."

*Legion* wrote:

That is amazing. How the hell do the Browns let Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz both walk out the door?

Sashi Brown: "My advanced metrics indicate that offensive linemen score ZERO points on average. In fact, only a few have scored points in the entire history of the league! We need to spend our money on guys that score points."

Paul DePodesta: "They're so slow, we need baserunners."

Jim Haslam: "I don't really care who they are, just steal some of their stuff before they leave."

Mack was never coming back, they drafted his replacement in the 1st round last year.

Guess they're drafting a T early on this year...

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garion333 wrote:

Mack was never coming back, they drafted his replacement in the 1st round last year.

Well... maybe. They moved Erving to guard and when he got on the field, he got his ass kicked. Did not look like someone they could stick on the field, let alone move back to center and start. He's got a long road ahead before he's any sort of replacement.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mack was never coming back, they drafted his replacement in the 1st round last year.

Well... maybe. They moved Erving to guard and when he got on the field, he got his ass kicked. Did not look like someone they could stick on the field, let alone move back to center and start. He's got a long road ahead before he's any sort of replacement.

Fair enough, though he only played because of injuries. The original plan, as far as I recall, was to give him time to develop. That didn't happen because Cleveland. Even when Cleveland drafts smart in the 1st round, they don't turn out quite right. Cursed!

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mack was never coming back, they drafted his replacement in the 1st round last year.

Well... maybe. They moved Erving to guard and when he got on the field, he got his ass kicked. Did not look like someone they could stick on the field, let alone move back to center and start. He's got a long road ahead before he's any sort of replacement.

You just have to love Cleveland's offseason. "Hey, we've got one decent unit on the entire team in our offensive line. Let's blow it up!"

Jags GM Dave Caldwell on not signing Olivier Vernon: “We were extremely aggressive — far out of our comfort zone to be honest. But you’re not going to get them all."

Malik Jackson contract details:

Jackson received a $10 million signing bonus and has fully guaranteed base salaries of $8 million in 2016 and $13.5 million in 2017. The trigger for the rest of the deal is a $10.5 million portion of his $13.5 million salary in 2018 – guaranteed for injury only at signing – that would become fully guaranteed of the fifth day of the 2018 league year. So, the Jaguars will have a choice at that point on whether the former Denver Broncos defensive end is worth the investment. The rest of Jackson’s deal is non-guaranteed base salaries -- $13 million in 2019, $13.75 million in 2020 and $13.75 million in 2021 – with $1.5 million in escalators each of those last three years to reach the maximum value of $90 million.

Once again, it's the "guarantee the first two years of salary" trick, along with a cut-by deadline additional salary guarantee going into year 3.

Steelers sign Ladarius Green, which possibly knocks Jesse James off my dynasty keepers.