The Magicians [SyFy series]


2 Penny's? Or we'll never hear about the one in the Underworld?

A convenient body for someone without one maybe.

I'm almost current on this show now, having watched all but the last two episodes of this season over the last week or two. It's so good! I hadn't bothered watching this season initially because I've read the books and so, with other shows competing for my time, didn't feel like it was urgent. But this has really gone so far afield of the books (or I've just forgotten the books more thoroughly than I thought?) that it's totally new and surprising to me. I particularly enjoyed "A Life in the Day" and "Six Short Stories about Magic." It feels like a show that is much more inventive than it needs to be, and so many of the actors are really nailing their roles and excelling both at the comedy and the drama.

I was a bit disappointed in the musical episode--it felt like they never found the songs/energy/goofiness to justify it, like they thought "wouldn't it be cool to have a musical episode?" but never found the singers or songwriters or song choices to make it work. The final song in the episode was probably the best musical moment, but even that felt a bit forced.

I think my favorite moment in the season so far was Penny's discovery of how people in the magicless afterlife prefer to be bribed. Totally believable! I also loved when Margo and Eliot spoke in code around the fairies by relying entirely on pop culture references that would be meaningless to fairies...every once in a while the show's references feel a touch clunky, but I'm generally impressed the way those types of things feel like just a reflection of how people actually talk.

Good season final. I wasn't shocked by anything except for the fairy queen. I'm still surprised at the complete turnaround I had about the character. Will be interesting to see how they get out of the current situation.

It's as if nobody ended up knowing about magic in the first episode.
Also didn't expect Elliot to end up that way.


At the end of the scenes in Black Spire, you see Dean Fogg hold out the same memory erasing bottle he offered to Alice. So yeah, they screwed them all over, took the magic for the library to dole out, and then erased all their memories so they don't know magic exists. Except for possessed Elliot. Whoops.

The latest season of this show has been incredible, perhaps my favorite thing on television right now. The way the last season ended, I was a little worried about the following season being too much of a reboot, but instead it's really charged ahead. It strangely reminds me of The Good Place, where I keep worrying that this is going to go in some boring and obvious directions, but instead the show just shreds through ideas in surprising ways to get to somewhere unexpected.

My GF finally got me to watch this. I'm most of the way through season one and loving the heck out of it. Looking forward to the rest of it.

So, Season 4 is done. Before spoilers, I will say this was a truly excellent season of tv. As with most of this series, I tend to be a little lost on the big picture plot stuff, the who is doing what how and why, but the characters are so great, and this show does the one-off episode better than anything on tv right now (this season's episode devoted to the side characters, or the "six short stories about magic" or "life in a day" episodes last season, the titles of which I'm probably botching but anyone who watched those episodes will presumably know what I mean). I'm really curious to see where the next season goes.

And, mega spoilers on that finale:


Holy sh*t, they killed Quentin.
And even more surprising, the showrunners have confirmed that the actor isn't coming back, this is a permanent death. (Although, despite that, I would not be 100% shocked if this proved to be misdirection on their part, but I think they are likely telling the truth, and also not stupid enough to lie to the audience so blatantly)

I think I like the move. It makes me sad. Jason Ralph has done a fantastic job with this character, and was incredible in the last episode in particular. Q in the books was far and away the worst thing about the first book, nearly leading me not to read the other books in the series, but he really grew in the books towards the end in a way that read to me more like the author getting a handle on how to write this character well more than it was an arc for the character. In any case, TV Q has felt like the much more well-rounded and less-crappy version of the character from the start, and I think both the writing and the actor's performance have a lot to do with that.

It's interesting to see now how this was being foreshadowed in Real Penny's appearance earlier, talking about how the straight(ish) white male doesn't have to be the protagonist. It did still feel to me that he was the central character (looking the show up in on demand, the logline for the show is something like "Quentin Coldwater discovers a world of magic and...") and I do wonder where the core of the show will be with him gone, but ya know what, there are 3 books and 4 seasons of TV that are, to varying degrees, the Quentin Coldwater story, so I'm interested in the decision to go off in another direction and am curious to see what they will do.

mrlogical wrote:

Holy sh*t, they killed Quentin....


Been wanting them to do that since season 1; he's like Oliver Queen in Arrow - someone I watch a show in spite of, rather than because of.

Finally finished this off the DVR. Two shows I watched had Ah Ha's Take On Me in their finales. Both very melancholy.

The other show:


Marvel's Cloak and Dagger is the other.

But they were just following in Deadpool 2's wake.

Spoilers in the vids below?

Deadpool 2


Cloak and Dagger

Nerdy show sad song of the year?

Rise thread and walk again!

I just finished season 4 on Netflix last night and wow. A couple observations.

1) Jade Tailor can sing. Like really sing.

2) Though I liked watching the characters in the previous three seasons, season 4 is where I actually start liking them.

3) This has to be the most millennial show on television. And I don't mean that as a pejorative. The characters are flawed, filled with potential, compassionate but insecure, and faced with a series of existential challenges that only they seem to give enough of a crap to actually solve. They all have significant sexual or psychological trauma. They are entirely blase about sexual preference and drug use. They regard inclusion as simply the moral background of non psychopaths. They fail, they fall down, they fall apart, but they pull themselves or each other back and save the universe. And they acknowledge that most of the time in their multiverse, things will end catastrophically badly and yet they still keep trying. They are at different times scared, brave, generous, and selfish. They regret and forgive. It, honestly, really makes me want to hug my nephew.

Read the books and see where the genius comes from.

That was a good post. Had this on Netflix list forever but maybe I'll try to get to it sooner.

I've said a couple times in the book thread that these characters are uniformly kind of awful, especially the protagonist, but that they have a ring of authenticity that you rarely see in fiction. If you started out with a bunch of teens with magical training and basically zero grounding in ethics of any kind, this is almost exactly what you'd probably see happen.

And they grow up. I don't know where the series is compared with the books, but it wasn't until about book 3 that they started to develop into genuinely likable people. It's some of the most realistic characterization I've ever seen in fiction. Almost all characters in mainstream fantasy are obviously characters, but that's less true here. It feels almost like non-fiction, sometimes, like you could actually meet these people on the street somewhere.