Star Wars: The Force Awakens - SPOILER THREAD

Great, my wife and I loved it. Very entertaining. Loved all the space battles. I agree here. Kylo was injured and it looks like fights in a crazy manner like when we see him destroy that console when hearing the escape news. while Rey seems to be a great melee fighter.

I figured Solo was going to die. i think the dialogue was great in that the viewer could tell from the previous scenes that his Kylo's thoughts on Han Solo kept him thinking about the light side. Han, who did not hear any of that and as a father, only though it was an opening to help bring his son back to him. I thought it was a good a death as any. In reality, can any death be good enough for our memories of Han Solo? We have to accept something!

I'm sure we will learn more about Rey's visions. Were all those bodies on that battlefield jedi killed by Kylo? How did the supreme guy get so powerful in the dark side?

Also agree great casting. Finn and Rey were great. Nice to see so many diverse faces in the resistance. Hope to see more of Poe in the next movie. BB- 8 was great also!

EDIT:I also had a really weird experience at the movie theater that I posted in the loathe thread if you are interested.

karmajay wrote:

How did the supreme guy get so powerful in the dark side?

The dark side is strong in Gollum.

So, what happened to Captain Phasma? She didn't seem to actually do anything much in the movie.

And who/what/where are Rey's family?

Redherring wrote:

So, what happened to Captain Phasma? She didn't seem to actually do anything much in the movie.

And who/what/where are Rey's family?

Yeah, hopefully she does more in the other movies.

Alien Love Gardener wrote:

And I never really understood *why* everyone wanted to find Luke. It's stuff like that, plus some of the enormous contrivances like Han just arriving out of the blue and Luke's lightsaber literally being kept in a mystery box (he can't help himself can he?) that drag the movie down for me.

Think of how our leads said Han's name when they first met--they're meeting living legends. That's how everyone probably thinks of Luke, particularly in the Resistance. He destroyed the first Death Star. He was instrumental in getting rid of the Emperor and Darth Vader, whether they know the details or not. And he's the last of the Jedi. He's a powerful symbol to anyone who controls him.

The Falcon had been stolen and then stolen again several times over before they got it off world and close enough to be found by Han and Chewie's ship.

And it's only Luke's lightsaber in that it was Anakin's, which makes it all the more tempting for Kylo Ren.

Where the hell is Lando? Part of the new Republic proper?

Rylo Ken is also mentioned specifically as looking for Luke for personal reasons.

But why does anyone ever look for the MacGuffin?

Oh, and ballsy move not giving Luke any lines other than a voiceover.

Redherring wrote:

And who/what/where are Rey's family?

I don't know who her mom is, but I'll eat my phone if she isn't Luke's daughter.

garion333 wrote:

I haven't seen the movie but the couple of reviews I looked at said that it is basically A New Hope to a T. Bummer because that's exactly what the trailers kinda made it seem like. Oh, Tattooine 2.0. Oh, Death Star 3.0. ...

While I enjoyed a lot about the movie this bugged me a lot. Two Death Stars get destroyed so you think building a bigger third one will be even better? And what happens to your planet when you suck the sun dry?
Yay, it's Luke ...in Hawaii? And the film ends without him saying anything? Well I guess I only have to wait 2 years for a little more clarity.
I'm going to see it again, perhaps I'll enjoy it more.
At the moment I'm really wishing they had adapted the Thrawn trilogy.

Ballotechnic wrote:

Two Death Stars get destroyed so you think building a bigger third one will be even better? And what happens to your planet when you suck the sun dry?

Presumably they move the Starkiller to a new star system. Maybe the one in which they just blew everyone up.

Overall I really enjoyed it. It felt like Star Wars and it was a lot of fun seeing the old cast. Some thoughts:

-Definitely felt like it took a little too much story from episodes 4,5,6,

-Thought Rae was a little too powerful once she learns she's a force user, after some thought I do think they they tried to convey ren was injured and not 100% during the final battle

-thought for sure Luke would show up at that last battle

-Had a strong feeling Han wouldn't make it but his death was handled well

-is the supreme leader Darth Plagues? Probably something we'll get more info on in later movies

-I was also confused by the resistance, republic, new order relationship.

Definitely looking forward to seeing it again. I think I've had it with midnight showings too. Way too busy, long lines and unless you give up your entire day, your not getting a prime seat.

Ballotechnic wrote:

Yay, it's Luke ...in Hawaii? And the film ends without him saying anything?

Luke in Ireland..

Ballotechnic wrote:
Redherring wrote:

And who/what/where are Rey's family?

I don't know who her mom is, but I'll eat my phone if she isn't Luke's daughter.

garion333 wrote:

I haven't seen the movie but the couple of reviews I looked at said that it is basically A New Hope to a T. Bummer because that's exactly what the trailers kinda made it seem like. Oh, Tattooine 2.0. Oh, Death Star 3.0. ...

While I enjoyed a lot about the movie this bugged me a lot. Two Death Stars get destroyed so you think building a bigger third one will be even better? And what happens to your planet when you suck the sun dry?
Yay, it's Luke ...in Hawaii? And the film ends without him saying anything? Well I guess I only have to wait 2 years for a little more clarity.
I'm going to see it again, perhaps I'll enjoy it more.
At the moment I'm really wishing they had adapted the Thrawn trilogy.

At least when Luke went into exile/hiding he went to a nice location and not Dagabahish swamp. I knew we weren't getting a lot of Luke but I was hoping for a little more.

The third Death Star thing was annoying. Hologram plans and single points of failure all over again. Guess they were trying to convey how much damage the new order could do.

Also left wanting to know more about Supreme Leader Gollum, who the Knights of Ren are, and where they found Darth Vader's helmet.

Redherring wrote:

Also left wanting to know more about Supreme Leader Gollum, who the Knights of Ren are, and where they found Darth Vader's helmet.

That's right, no explanation of who the knights of ren are.

Really enjoyed it!

- Putting blood on Finn's helmet so we could easily distinguish him from the other stormtroopers was clever.

- Counter to expectations #1: Poe is dead! Oh nice, he's actually alive! (And was no doubt the pilot that Finn admired when the Resistance first arrived.)

- Counter to expectations #2: A girl is in trouble! Finn to the rescue! Oh, nope, Rae can handle herself, thank you!

- Counter to expectations #3: Kylo Ren feels a pull back to the light side... Han just needs to be a good Dad (helped along by a pep talk from Leia) to turn him back... Kylo is handing over his lightsaber... Oh, nope, he's the villain after all.

- Chewie was successfully able to tag a distracted Kylo Ren with a blaster shot just after Ren killed Han. First time we've seen a Jedi actually get hit by a blaster, I think!

- Finn was a very cool character, but ended up feeling a bit "underpowered" compared to his counterpart, Rae. Finn is good with a blaster and ship weapons... and that's about it? Rae also turns out to be at least decent with a blaster, and to go along with that, she's a good melee fighter, mechanic, pilot, and not least, a strong natural force user.

- Great use of C3PO. Tender moment when Han meets Leia after a long separation, and then popping up between them is "Hello! It is, I, C3PO! Blah blah blah blah!"

Ballotechnic wrote:
Redherring wrote:

And who/what/where are Rey's family?

I don't know who her mom is, but I'll eat my phone if she isn't Luke's daughter.

garion333 wrote:

I haven't seen the movie but the couple of reviews I looked at said that it is basically A New Hope to a T. Bummer because that's exactly what the trailers kinda made it seem like. Oh, Tattooine 2.0. Oh, Death Star 3.0. ...

While I enjoyed a lot about the movie this bugged me a lot. Two Death Stars get destroyed so you think building a bigger third one will be even better? And what happens to your planet when you suck the sun dry?
Yay, it's Luke ...in Hawaii? And the film ends without him saying anything? Well I guess I only have to wait 2 years for a little more clarity.
I'm going to see it again, perhaps I'll enjoy it more.
At the moment I'm really wishing they had adapted the Thrawn trilogy.

Agreed, Rey may be Luke's offspring especially given the flashbacks on handling his lightsaber and the whole love of family fueding in the universe.

I enjoyed the mix of space saber and pursuit scenes. The script felt a little jaded but like how Han says to Chewy on entering the Millennium Falcon, the film felt like coming home after a long trip.

I reckon ep VIII will be much slower since both padawans will be training.

Because I like to make huge logical leaps I have some thoughts about Rey. I think she had begun her force training at Luke's academy when she was young as she was about the right age for the younglings. Then, the stuff with Kylo happens and Luke has just enough time to hide his daughter and put some sort of force block on her memories. She knows she is waiting for her family to come back, but the flashbacks she gets from the lightsaber made it seem to me like she didn't really remember getting left. Thus it is more her breaking that block and remembering how to use the force than spontaneously developing powers. Just like at the end of the duel when she is holding her own, the at the mention of the force goes into her own head for a moment and from then on dominates Kylo.

I like that theory thejustinbot but I also think that in the last part of the fight, the force did not make her fight better per se, it just allowed her to fight more calmly/confidently and that let her win. She was basically just jabbing and running and then running some more. Then when she thinks about the force you can see her breathing slow and her face become more serene and the fight continues with here attacking w/ more attacking.

karmajay wrote:

I like that theory thejustinbot but I also think that in the last part of the fight, the force did not make her fight better per se, it just allowed her to fight more calmly/confidently and that let her win. She was basically just jabbing and running and then running some more. Then when she thinks about the force you can see her breathing slow and her face become more serene and the fight continues with here attacking w/ more attacking.

Yeah, thinking on the force felt like it gave her a sort of peace that put her in control.

It is going to be a long two years until Episode 8.

I enjoyed it, although as I've said in another thread, it does seem as if they are just rehashing a lot of the original story. One thing that did both me is how Fin goes from being traumatised by killing and war in the first scene to jumping in a TIE fighter and blasting all his old work mates with no remorse whatsoever! I know you could argue that it was just how he was against the Order, but it would've been interesting to see a character with more inner turmoil when it comes to war.

I don't think it was turmoil at war but killing innocents he had a problem with.

Also, IMO this is a continuation of the series not any type of fresh start so grabbing those ideas and stories from 4-6 is important.

Ugh, I hope that Rey is not Luke's daughter. This is something that I feel people are looking too much into. Rey's story is an explanation about why she's such a great pilot / engineer and wants to stay on a backwater dust bowl.

What I do hope is that the Supreme Leader isn't anything but a Sith holocron written by a long dead Sith lord who is using it to build up the dark side from beyond the grave.

What I do hope is that the Supreme Leader isn't anything but a Sith holocron written by a long dead Sith lord who is using it to build up the dark side from beyond the grave.

That is a cool idea.

Apparently Daniel Craig played the stormtrooper that Rey mind tricked

Thoughts:

* I'm glad they killed-off Han Solo. It was a little painful watching such an old dude do the swashbuckling stuff, even though it was fun seeing the character again after so many years.

* I loved the pacing. I was a little afraid it was going to be fast and dense like the Abrams Star Trek movies.

* I wasn't sure the movie had really started since there was no Fox Fanfare or even Disney Fanfare beforehand.

* I kind of wished they hadn't have shown Luke at all. But even so, the stare was too long. There was honest laughter during the final scene in my theater.

Tanglebones wrote:

Apparently Daniel Craig played the stormtrooper that Rey mind tricked :)

He sure was.

Kurrelgyre wrote:

The Falcon had been stolen and then stolen again several times over before they got it off world and close enough to be found by Han and Chewie's ship.

That's...true, but it has no bearing on whether it's an enormous coincidence or not that Han and Chewie show up the moment they leave Jakku.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Rylo Ken is also mentioned specifically as looking for Luke for personal reasons.

But why does anyone ever look for the MacGuffin?

It's still nice if you understand why people are fighting over it. Or even makes any sense at all that it exists.

Seriously, why does a map to Luke even exist?

Flintheart Glomgold wrote:

Ugh, I hope that Rey is not Luke's daughter. This is something that I feel people are looking too much into. Rey's story is an explanation about why she's such a great pilot / engineer and wants to stay on a backwater dust bowl.

It felt like saying it outright was something they backed away from in editing/rewrites, but everything about the lightsaber felt like it was foreshadowing at Rey being Luke's daughter with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

I hope that's not the case though.

Wrote up my review as a letter to Star Wars Stacks, so the formatting may be a little odd, but here it is:

I'm still buzzing from seeing the film last night, so any review's going to be biased by that new Star Wars smell. That said, it's already rocketed into my top three Star Wars films, and has a good shot at taking the crown on re-watching.

My nitpicks: If anything, there was too much devotion to making in-references. While nothing was as blatant as Boba Fett staring into the camera in the Star Wars special edition, the sheer quantity began to feel almost tiring. I want new Star Wars, not old Star Wars!

Similarly, the plot was an intentional homage to A New Hope - the base, the rescue, the planetary destruction. I hope that with that out of their system, Disney can go forward in different directions for the main story of the trilogy.

That aside, I loved the film. The banter between Finn and Poe in their first scene together set the new tone, and it's one I love - clever, funny, and full of heart, in a way that even in the originals only touched momentarily. The conflict at the heart of Kylo Ren is far from resolved, and the mystery of what Luke's been up to and who Rey is haven't even been scratched. I'm 36, so I don't remember seeing the originals in the theater, but seeing each of the prequels, I left the theater more or less content, but not thirsty for what happens next. This time, I'm thirsty.

See you all in the theaters for Rogue One in 2016!
-Tanglebones

PS: All those cameos, and we don't get to see Wedge? I hope he survives Chuck Wendig's books!

Tanglebones wrote:

PS: All those cameos, and we don't get to see Wedge? I hope he survives Chuck Wendig's books!

I read somewhere that the actor was offered a part but turned it down.