Star Wars: The Force Awakens - SPOILER THREAD

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It's here! It's finally here! And Lord, is it easier to talk about without those spoiler tags.

Haven't seen, but posting cause I'd hate to lose track of such a tiny, tiny thread.
Look, I'm the only other poster! Tiny, I say.

Snape Kills Dumbledore !!!!!

Well dang I came here for the spoilers. No idea when I will be able to see it. Prob next year...

HantaXP wrote:

Snape Kills Dumbledore !!!!!

I haven't seen the movie but the couple of reviews I looked at said that it is basically A New Hope to a T. Bummer because that's exactly what the trailers kinda made it seem like. Oh, Tattooine 2.0. Oh, Death Star 3.0. Yay....

Hopefully it'll be a good base for them to work with and move away from for some less formulaic storytelling.

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I was pretty upset at how criminally wasted Iko Uwais and Yayan Ruhian were. Why bring on these completely badass martial artists and then just use them as cannon fodder in a terrible throwaway action bit (arguably the nadir of the movie) that seems to exist just to distract you from the earthshattering coincidence that brought Han Solo into the movie.

Ugh, finally I can get this one out.

Spoiler:

Dr. McCoy dies in this one.

Talk about it without spoiler tags huh? I feel like that might end badly, but then if you're here, in this thread, reading past the first post, you had your warning.
edit: hmm okay no, i tried that for a while and since everything before this one was in jest, I shall just in case -

Spoiler:

I really enjoyed the movie, I did find myself wondering however :

How many times are the evil people in this galaxy going to build a giant death weapon with one weak point?

Meanwhile if the weapon consumes the sun to charge up, do they really need to fire it? I have to think step A would kill everything in the system.

Did they blow up Coruscant?!

Everyone is going to put my thoughts into words beautifully so I'm just going to spend the rest of the night with a giant smile and tears in my eyes... pretty much the way I was the whole movie. I'm tearing up again. But it was so very good.

Edit: Han's death didn't really hit me until Chewie rescued Rey and Finn. When I saw him in the captain's position I had tears streaming down my cheeks.

So now we know why Harrison Ford has been so happy lately.

I really enjoyed it. I have a few minor quibbles, but they are quibbles, not a big deal.

The dogfighting and chase scenes in the atmosphere were as awesome as I always hoped. Like seriously, yes!

Kinda sad they got rid of not being able to operate hyperdrives so close to planets.

All the battles were great. Meaty. Solid. There weren't too many bad camera cuts or whatever, the spinning in the final scene was all that bugged me.

Just awesome all around.

TERRIBLE

Spoiler:

Did they not even hire someone to write a script? New hope in a different time. More of a reboot then a sequel.

That is the death you give Hon Solo?
Now a non Jedi can light saber fight with a Jedi??
This new Jedi can beat another Jedi with 0 training? Luke spent entire movie learning to do anything she can instantly do everything?!?!?!?!?!

SOOOOOOO ANGRY!!!

Really?

I took it as Ren left well before completing his training, as you can see he struggles a bit with pulling the light saber out of the snow so it wouldn't surprise me that he isn't an incredibly competent combatant.

Though I do realize that is a bit negated by the fact that he can stop a blaster bolt in mid air. Maybe it's like the old EU and some Jedi have a penchant for certain skills. Or the lack of skill. Corran Horn and telekinesis for example.

The death of Han Solo I thought was handled extremely well and as for Rey besting Kylo I figured that's because Kylo hasn't finished his training and also was shown several times to be extremely undisciplined. Rey also seemed to be a very competent fighter to begin with.

Han was trying to save his son. He wanted to believe. He would have given anything.

Unfinished training vs. never used force before?
Han deserved a hero's death, make him get hurt then die saving Ren or something. Not just walk up and he's dead.

Rey was a very competent fighter who then suddenly had help from the force against a very undisciplined opponent who we don't really know how much training he had. If Luke was most of his training then that really isn't saying much as he really didn't have much.

Han was bad ass through the whole movie and was undone by his love for his son. Like honestly that was a very well handled death and I don't think it could have done any better.

obirano wrote:

I took it as Ren left well before completing his training, as you can see he struggles a bit with pulling the light saber out of the snow

I read that scene as him struggling against Rey trying to do the same thing, and some "interference" there. Rey obviously has prodigious natural talent with the force and has well developed fighting skills.

Never mind. Posted before me.

Very Very good, but just shy of excellent.

The one thing that really annoyed me off was not a story element, but a technical one - they never had a really good shot of the new Star Destroyers, one that showed the entire ship.

I would also like a better (though not exactly in depth) reveal of the relationship between the Resistance, First Order, and the Republic. They made it seem like the Resistance and the Republic were separate and there was some sort of cold war with the First Order?

Also remember that "Ben" was wounded (from a bowcaster) when fighting Rey. They really show how badass those bowcasters were.

So what I think from other material I read is the the New Republic went back to a pre empire level military force and the Resistance was a group of people who are like the empire is still a threat and we need to handle it. So not the same entity but tolerated by the New Republic. I am curious as mentioned above if that was Courscant that was obliterated or something else. I get the impression it was the New Republic that was targeted but it was very vague.

Also I totally forgot Kylo/Ben was wounded which also helps explain his crap performance.

Aftermath sets Chandrila, Mon Mothma's homeworld as the home of the new Republic

I love every minute of it. So good!

edit* Also, Kylo Ren was trained by Luke, who might be the worst lightsaber duelist ever. His greatest Jedi moment was throwing his lightsaber away and refusing to fight.

I liked it a lot. Finn was great, Rey was badass and Kylo was such a whiny undisciplined brat. No wonder he got his ass handed to him by a natural talent with no direct Jedi training.

Edit:

The part where Rey reads Kylo's mind and senses he's afraind he'll never be as powerful as Darth Vader? I thought "No sh*t, Vader had some discipline."

Went in hoping to like it, went out thinking they nailed it. Excellent casting all around, and I'm really looking forward to seeing where they take things from here. That was a great ending to set up the sequel.

The only thing that bothered me a little was how quickly and easily Rey acquired her powers. Thankfully, I'm not one to get hung up on such minutiae

I loved it. At first I was amused but disappointed that the script had so many references and quotations from the previous movies, but about halfway through I realized that The Force Awakens is pretty much all the other movies happening at the same time. It certainly managed to effectively and succinctly show the descent of an angry, undisciplined young man into the Dark Side better than Lucas could do in three whole movies.

I'm really looking forward to more.

I enjoyed it, it was about what I expected. Far better than episodes 1-3, for sure. It was a bit predictable on a few occasions, but it also managed to steer clear of a few tropes that I was afraid it was heading towards. The criticism that it's a rehash of the original is valid, but it feels almost as if it's done in homage, and if that's the worst there is to say about the movie, it's a pretty good movie.

Flintheart Glomgold wrote:

I would also like a better (though not exactly in depth) reveal of the relationship between the Resistance, First Order, and the Republic. They made it seem like the Resistance and the Republic were separate and there was some sort of cold war with the First Order?

Yeah, I was scratching my head over that one as well. And I never really understood *why* everyone wanted to find Luke. It's stuff like that, plus some of the enormous contrivances like Han just arriving out of the blue and Luke's lightsaber literally being kept in a mystery box (he can't help himself can he?) that drag the movie down for me.

I had an hour and a half drive home to think about it. I found the lack of lens flares to be annoying. I started to wonder who directed the movie halfway through.

I have a pile of nitpicky issues with the movie, starting with the fact that stormtroopers managed to blow up an xwing with the equivalent of space AK-47's, continuing with someone needing to put this down on every single wall JJ Abrams' will ever see, because he's managed show an almost Michael Bay-esque level of disregard to how freaking big space is in BOTH of the biggest mainstream scifi franchises:

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.

But...

Episode 1 basically managed to kill most of the enthusiasm I had for Star Wars. Reading the Aftermath excerpt also dampened a lot of my enthusiasm for the new series. But I want more of this. I want to see how everything played out. I'm not sitting here wondering why the hell we now have Jedi Jesus and wondering about exactly how much crack was involved in the writers room to get what I just saw. I want to see where this is going. And I think that the magic is... back?

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