Anonymous KKK hack

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...

Looks like my senator is on the list. Not that I am surprised.

Anyway for Anonymous to back its accusations up with evidence?

It's being suggested that this list may not be the one Anonymous created based on its hacking... as that was supposed to be released 2 to 3 days from today.

Knoxville's mayor, on the list, doesn't really fit the profile, like... at all...
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Per Wikipedia:

During the mid-1970s, Rogero and her first husband, Mark Pitt, worked as organizers for César Chávez's United Farm Workers, a labor union that sought better wages for migrant farm workers.[1][2][3][4] She and Pitt moved to Knoxville in 1980, where Pitt helped run the textile workers' union, Amalgamated Clothing & Textile Workers, now UNITE HERE.[1] Rogero obtained a master's degree from the University of Tennessee's Graduate School of Planning, having been inspired to enter the urban planning field while helping fight an attempt by a developer to install temporary trailers in her neighborhood in anticipation of the 1982 World's Fair.[1]
On November 1, 2013, Rogero was selected as one of 26 governmental leaders to serve on a task force that will advise President Barack Obama on climate preparedness and resilience-building efforts.[26] In late January 2014, Rogero visited Turkey at the invitation of the U.S. State Department to talk about the importance of women participating in politics and public life.[27]

Not to mention, she's apparently Roman Catholic, and I could swear the KKK doesn't have high opinions of Catholics.

Demosthenes wrote:

Not to mention, she's apparently Roman Catholic, and I could swear the KKK doesn't have high opinions of Catholics.

I'm not sure if they give a crap anymore. Like treason, identity is a matter of dates. Yesterday's sworn enemy is tomorrow's loyal ally.

Original Anon Twitter Account that announced the Op, the success of the hack and the incoming information dump says... that wasn't us, we haven't finished vetting and verifying information yet.

FYI, Whitey Privilege in the replies there? Yeah, not a parody. Sadly. Or if he is, he's like really deep to the point it's getting hard to tell anymore.

Thirteenth wrote:

Anyway for Anonymous to back its accusations up with evidence?

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. Even if the people who end up getting named are very easy to believe it of, believable doesn't (shouldn't?) mean "willing to accept as truth with basically no real evidence".

On the other hand, if the reason a claim like this is believable is because the person in question's conduct strongly resembles that of a KKK member... isn't that all you really need to know anyway?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/h...

IT WAS A PRANK!!!! HONEST!

Paleocon wrote:

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...

Looks like my senator is on the list. Not that I am surprised.

You actually believe this is legit? Dumbass.

It's pronounced Du-mass.

I have a hard time believing that even the vetted list (whenever it's released) will have significant numbers of elected officials who are actually involved with the KKK.

Do I doubt that there are plenty of elected officials who are racist? No.

Do I think that the KKK is organized or powerful enough to have significant numbers of elected officials in its ranks? Definitely not. For goodness sakes, their response to the threat of this being made public was apparently to consider organizing a march. That doesn't scream "racist Illuminati" to me.

If there is evidence presented rather than simply allegations, I'm happy to look at it. But in general, I find I am served well by not throwing my lot in with every random set of allegations or sensationalist video purporting to reveal the shocking truth - even when it may align with my preconceptions (arguably, those times something aligns with my preconceptions are the times it is most important to have a critical eye).

MyBrainHz wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...

Looks like my senator is on the list. Not that I am surprised.

You actually believe this is legit? Dumbass.

A. Not to be all mini-mod, but reaaaaaaaaaaally?

B. Honestly, given the number of politicians with openly racist responses to stuff lately... the line is blurring. We have politicians advocating for the return of slavery with illegal immigrants. We have politicians sticking to the narrative that Ahmed's clock maaaaaaaaaaaaay have been a bomb, it could have been, you know, other than the complete lack of any explosive device... and then instead running down the "well, he was obviously trying to freak people out" road after. Meanwhile, Conservative talking heads, cartoonists, etc... keep making the bomb joke. We have politicians who talk about racial disparity, and even bringing up that it exists, as f***ing "race baiting" and trying to make situations appear racist... no matter how much evidence is put out there that there is some racist sh*t going down. Is it really so hard to believe that these politicians who say such ridiculously racist sh*t might be part of a well-known racist organization? It's unlikely, but it's not really implausible anymore... if it was ever implausible, given how long anti-integration representatives and senators managed to stay in power for years.

C. David Duke endorsed Trump. Trump's response when asked if he'd repudiate that endorsement "Sure, I would if that would make you feel better." He had to be asked to do so, and put it into language of "if it will make you feel better." Like... the idea that one of the leaders of the KKK could endorse anyone and that's not a death sentence... that says something very real about how, while the KKK may be mocked as an organization, may be belittled and demonized (and rightly so) for its actions of violence and terrorism... apparently their ideas are swinging back into being more and more fine as the morons in our country continue to push the idea of tolerance for the intolerant.

Considering this little bit from Duke earlier this year, it would all not surprise me.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/03/politi...

Not to mention the frequency with which I hear "it is just a social organization now" here in North Carolina.

The Mafia was a social organization too...

Dimmerswitch wrote:

If there is evidence presented rather than simply allegations, I'm happy to look at it. But in general, I find I am served well by not throwing my lot in with every random set of allegations or sensationalist video purporting to reveal the shocking truth - even when it may align with my preconceptions (arguably, those times something aligns with my preconceptions are the times it is most important to have a critical eye).

Totally in 100% agreement with this whole statement. Unless there is more evidence available than just a random list thrown out there, I would be deeply skeptical of any information handed in this fashion. Especially:

Dimmerswitch wrote:

when it may align with my preconceptions (arguably, those times something aligns with my preconceptions are the times it is most important to have a critical eye).

Given that the Anonymous group who announced the hack is denouncing this list, I kind of can't help but wonder if this is a brilliant double play by a less savory online group (I totally wouldn't credit the KKK with having anywhere near this level of brains). Put out a list with some folks who are clearly not KKK members, discredit the whole idea before the real list gets out there, bam, less shock and outrage when the real list hits.

It still shouldn't change the level of skepticism when the "real" list is released. For me, anyway.

Paleocon wrote:

Considering this little bit from Duke earlier this year, it would all not surprise me.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/03/politi...

Not to mention the frequency with which I hear "it is just a social organization now" here in North Carolina.

That must be the escalation from the "Their politics are just different" narrative the Tea Party was pushing when they took umbrage over the DHS terrorism report. A lot of elected officials really like hate group votes and money, and have been pitching them woo with increasingly shrill dog whistles for years. Any of them appearing on some KKK master list is almost redundant.

Pretty much. Even here in the Triangle, I can't go a full two weeks without hearing some asshat talking about a "save our flag" rally where they get to "enjoy our heritage".

Do I think that the KKK is organized or powerful enough to have significant numbers of elected officials in its ranks? Definitely not. For goodness sakes, their response to the threat of this being made public was apparently to consider organizing a march. That doesn't scream "racist Illuminati" to me.

This is frustrating.. to a black person the KKK isn't a joke like you make it out to be.

TheGameguru wrote:
Dimmerswitch wrote:

Do I think that the KKK is organized or powerful enough to have significant numbers of elected officials in its ranks? Definitely not. For goodness sakes, their response to the threat of this being made public was apparently to consider organizing a march. That doesn't scream "racist Illuminati" to me.

This is frustrating.. to a black person the KKK isn't a joke like you make it out to be.

If my post came across as being dismissive of the systematic racism or violence PoC face in the US, then I communicated poorly.

The initial reports I'd read of the impending dump claimed that large numbers of highly-placed elected officials would be implicated as being members of the KKK. I find that pretty unlikely, and do feel that the KKK is mostly an institution on the decline - that doesn't mean it's not dangerous, and I definitely was not trying to claim that the KKK no longer being as powerful as it once was means that racism as an issue is at all diminished. I do think that part of the reason the KKK is becoming less powerful is that erstwhile racists are joining other organizations with a more polished veneer on top of their loathsome beliefs - ones which also have a more coherent media strategy than simply organizing Klan marches.

Which, for the record, I think makes those organizations more dangerous than the Klan.

Hope that makes the intent of my initial post more clear - but I definitely apologize to anyone for whom it came across as being dismissive of the very real dangers and challenges racism poses, even now.

Dimmerswitch wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:
Dimmerswitch wrote:

Do I think that the KKK is organized or powerful enough to have significant numbers of elected officials in its ranks? Definitely not. For goodness sakes, their response to the threat of this being made public was apparently to consider organizing a march. That doesn't scream "racist Illuminati" to me.

This is frustrating.. to a black person the KKK isn't a joke like you make it out to be.

If my post came across as being dismissive of the systematic racism or violence PoC face in the US, then I communicated poorly.

The initial reports I'd read of the impending dump claimed that large numbers of highly-placed elected officials would be implicated as being members of the KKK. I find that pretty unlikely, and do feel that the KKK is mostly an institution on the decline - that doesn't mean it's not dangerous, and I definitely was not trying to claim that the KKK no longer being as powerful as it once was means that racism as an issue is at all diminished. I do think that part of the reason the KKK is becoming less powerful is that erstwhile racists are joining other organizations with a more polished veneer on top of their loathsome beliefs - ones which also have a more coherent media strategy than simply organizing Klan marches.

Which, for the record, I think makes those organizations more dangerous than the Klan.

Hope that makes the intent of my initial post more clear - but I definitely apologize to anyone for whom it came across as being dismissive of the very real dangers and challenges racism poses, even now.

No problem.. And I do agree that there are far more insidious and powerful groups than the KKK. It's just that to my wife's grandmother the KKK is a real and terrifying organization. She tells me she still has nightmares about them.

I think part of the reason we regard the KKK as some kind of joke today is because a concerted campaign of belittling and ridicule was instrumental in reducing its influence.

I've had some real life encounters with those folks and they are not jokes. Good ol' boys just looking for some respect in the community who turn hateful and snarling and threatening when you don't do what they want. It's an organization based on hate, resentment and petty tyranting to make small, fearful people feel powerful again. And it's real.

It's the only time I've seen someone run off at gunpoint. And I didn't object in the least.

Robear wrote:

I've had some real life encounters with those folks and they are not jokes. Good ol' boys just looking for some respect in the community who turn hateful and snarling and threatening when you don't do what they want. It's an organization based on hate, resentment and petty tyranting to make small, fearful people feel powerful again. And it's real.

It's the only time I've seen someone run off at gunpoint. And I didn't object in the least.

In that sense, it really isn't any different from ISIS or al Qaeda.