Star Trek: Discovery Catch-All [Spoilers]

I'm holding off rewatching until greatest gen podcast start their ( expected,not confirmed?, Im not sure what state of surety it is) Ds9 podcast.

I was late elem/early middle school when DS9 started; can imagine the themes would be more understood by older me, maybe.

Brownypoints wrote:

I'm holding off rewatching until greatest gen podcast start their ( expected,not confirmed?, Im not sure what state of surety it is) Ds9 podcast.

God yes please.

"Favor the Bold" and "Sacrifice of Angels" are routinely my go-to episodes of DS9.

T-Prime wrote:

"Favor the Bold" and "Sacrifice of Angels" are routinely my go-to episodes of DS9.

Love those. Mine are mostly "Rocks and Shoals" and the "Way of the Warrior" two-parter because it has the best conversation in all of Trek ever.

And of course, "In the Pale Moonlight."

"In the Pale Moonlight" or "Far Beyond the Stars" for me.

"Trials and Tribble-ations", but I haven't actually watched much DS9.

Gravey wrote:

"Trials and Tribble-ations", but I haven't actually watched much DS9.

You need to fix that, son. I can point you to a guide of which episodes to avoid in seasons 1 and 2.

Veloxi wrote:
Gravey wrote:

"Trials and Tribble-ations", but I haven't actually watched much DS9.

You need to fix that, son. I can point you to a guide of which episodes to avoid in seasons 1 and 2.

I'll watch them all, and soon. Maybe this weekend, or next week for sure.

cube wrote:

"In the Pale Moonlight" or "Far Beyond the Stars" for me.

"Far Beyond the Stars" also reminds me of another Sisko-oriented episode: "The Visitor". I haven't watched that episode since my son was born and I can only imagine that whenever I do I'll just ball up into a pile of tears.

So, whaddaya all think so far? I thought it was decent, there is a lot going on with the personnel/personal stuff. Have you watched both available episodes yet?

Other thoughts:

Spoiler:

1. Ugh - noises in space, really? I thought The Expanse showed that people who watch scifi are okay if the scene is quiet because they understand it should be quiet...
2. "Whatever you do, don't kill the bad guy because you'll make him a martyr. Well, except if he's about to kill my captain - then f*ck that guy."
3. The size of the bridge seems awfully big. I don't recall if Shengzou was a capitol ship or not. Maybe it is just the reality of shooting a tv show?
4. Exploding crew stations, check! They really gotta put some proper circuit breakers in these things - someone could get hurt!!!
5. That science officer - what a douchebag! I don't remember other Trek having characters designed to be annoying. Do we now have a Trek version of Jar-Jar?

dewalist wrote:

So, whaddaya all think so far? I thought it was decent, there is a lot going on with the personnel/personal stuff. Have you watched both available episodes yet?

Other thoughts:

Spoiler:

1. Ugh - noises in space, really? I thought The Expanse showed that people who watch scifi are okay if the scene is quiet because they understand it should be quiet...
2. "Whatever you do, don't kill the bad guy because you'll make him a martyr. Well, except if he's about to kill my captain - then f*ck that guy."
3. The size of the bridge seems awfully big. I don't recall if Shengzou was a capitol ship or not. Maybe it is just the reality of shooting a tv show?
4. Exploding crew stations, check! They really gotta put some proper circuit breakers in these things - someone could get hurt!!!
5. That science officer - what a douchebag! I don't remember other Trek having characters designed to be annoying. Do we now have a Trek version of Jar-Jar?

FYI, these appear to be spoilers for the first two episodes, not just the first episode that was the only one that aired on public broadcast tonight.

Spoiler:

1. Ugh - noises in space, really? I thought The Expanse showed that people who watch scifi are okay if the scene is quiet because they understand it should be quiet...

At this point it's a hallmark of the series though. I mean, some sort of armor or personal force field should also probably be more common, but they gotta look good in that lycra. Pew pew is Trek in the same way that lightsabers are ridiculous and make no sense but are still essentially Star Wars.

I guarantee that without traditional sound effects, far more people would be trashing the first two episodes.

2. "Whatever you do, don't kill the bad guy because you'll make him a martyr. Well, except if he's about to kill my captain - then f*ck that guy."

I thought this was consistent with how, well, inconsistent her character is. One moment she's Vulcan, the next she's human. So she manages to essentially do both poorly.

I found Philippa changing her mind and having that moment of friendliness to transport onto the Klingon ship more jarring, personality-wise. She essentially just got done trying to blame the whole situation on Michael, even though all choices seem liked they've have led to war.

3. The size of the bridge seems awfully big. I don't recall if Shengzou was a capitol ship or not. Maybe it is just the reality of shooting a tv show?

Reality of shooting a show seems to fit for me. The same way that in prequels you gotta walk that line between the technology being less advanced, but looking a lot better.

4. Exploding crew stations, check! They really gotta put some proper circuit breakers in these things - someone could get hurt!!!

I have to admit I laughed despite the otherwise serious nature of the scene.

5. That science officer - what a douchebag! I don't remember other Trek having characters designed to be annoying. Do we now have a Trek version of Jar-Jar?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He didn't really bother me. Also, he and Michael were essentially both right.

I still always find it hilarious that the Federation ships all have like 10 decks of scientists that are all inevitably spaced. While Klingon ships have like 8 guys of them. Even that capital ship.

Maybe we'll see some more war class ships like the Defiant?

I dig the political intrigue of the Expanse, and how DS9 had both intrigue and combat, but I hope there's also room in this Star Trek for exploration and, well, discovery.

I liked it. It's no The Expanse, but it was fairly solid. A bit confrontational for a Trek episode, but there's a history of that on the show too--and it had a fair amount of thinking around problems, not just action.

(It probably helped that I watched it at a friend's house, so I didn't have to subscribe to CBS to see it.)

Spoiler:

Looks like the next few episodes are going to skew the story in a somewhat different direction than the pilot.

It felt like it took all the wrong lessons from the Abrams movies, and when the camera finally stopped swooping around, not much happened in those two hours. Now that the pilot is out of the way, hopefully the rest of the series will settle down. I'm apathetic until then, but I subscribed to Space to find out (thankfully don't need CBS for it in Canada), so mission accomplished on their part (but then I also saw an ad for Electric Dreams in November).

Alien design was good. New Klingons were good but no need for a change. They could have just made them a new race. They didn't make any attempt visually to show this was set before TOS so they should have set it after DS9.

I liked the episodes overall. I doubt this show will last long. The show looks like it costs a lot to produce. Hardcore fans have some of the dumbest nick picky complaints so word of mouth wont move it. I think the show is setup to fail. Looks fun though and I like the change in tone.

Can I watch it on-line today? I am willing to give it a shot since the reviews seem to be positive.

farley3k wrote:

Can I watch it on-line today? I am willing to give it a shot since the reviews seem to be positive.

Both episodes 1 &2 were available in CBS All-Access as of last night, if that's what you're asking...

Twelve pages before a thing gets released has to be a record outside of a video game thread around here.

dewalist wrote:
farley3k wrote:

Can I watch it on-line today? I am willing to give it a shot since the reviews seem to be positive.

Both episodes 1 &2 were available in CBS All-Access as of last night, if that's what you're asking...

But of course they want a credit card - even for the free trial...I might sign up it isn't a huge amount.

Fun fact: On Netflix you can watch the show with Klingon subtitles...

Brainsmith wrote:

Fun fact: On Netflix you can watch the show with Klingon subtitles...

Heh, excellent

I'll wait for the season to finish, then subscribe to All Access and watch the whole thing. Early reviews seem promising at least.

Rat Boy wrote:

Twelve pages before a thing gets released has to be a record outside of a video game thread around here.

Not even close... look at the steam sale threads...

Are they really going to release the rest of this show only on CBS All-Access in the US? Really?

I can't get over what a weird decision that is.

Middcore wrote:

Are they really going to release the rest of this show only on CBS All-Access in the US? Really?

I can't get over what a weird decision that is.

It makes no sense to me. I just don't think there much crossover between the Star Trek demographic and, say, the Big Bang Theory demographic. That was one of my worries with this incarnation of Star Trek: that CBS was going to order changes to bring it in line politically and socially with CBS' traditional, conservative lineup. We'd end up with something like SEAL team six in space. Which actually sounds kind of rad now that I type it out, but definitely not Star Trek.

I find that the first two episodes alone are more interesting than the last two movies put together. Plus, I have just recently tried to rewatch the pilots for Voyager and Enterprise and found them rather dull, so I was surprised to see that Discovery shows more promise than I had expected. It's rather refreshing that it is not told from the perspective of a captain and I kinda don't mind that they have changed the appearance of the Klingons. I guess, beards and hair are just not en vogue at the time that this show is set? That can be corrected and explained very easily.

Brainsmith wrote:

I guess, beards and hair are just not en vogue at the time that this show is set? That can be corrected and explained very easily.

Or not. "We do not discuss it with outsiders."

At this point do they try to do klingon in the shows to match the fan created klingon language so that fans who 'know*' klingon can understand it? or just grunt gibberish, throw in subtitles, and move on?

*I gather the language is what, a few hundred words?

I think I remember reading that even as far back as TNG/DS9 the Klingon battle song and stuff that's in a couple episodes was gibberish by the grammar of the "real" Klington language "spoken" by some fans. (Although that could be hand-waved as the song being so ancient the lyrics were written in an archaic or highly formal dialect mostly unintelligible to modern speakers, like English versus Old English, or how many Japanese listeners couldn't understand the Emperor's radio broadcast announcing Japan's capitulation in WW2.)

I gather that some Klingon-speakers confine themselves to Marc Okrand-approved vocabulary. (Okrand was hired to develop Klingon for Star Trek III, and worked on subsequent movies.) Other than that, though, the Klingon is Discovery appears to be authentic. (Much more authentic than some of the "Klingon" that popped up in DS9.)

Discovery's Klingon work is by Robyn Stewart, who is a fluent speaker of Klingon: She created the online Klingon language course, and has written a novel in Klingon. The Klingon captions are by Lieven L. Litaer.