Gamers that fight - Martial Arts catch-all

I'm over 50 years old. I don't need a 20 something to teach me "discipline".

So stay away from belt mills, and places that pick up students after school and escort them to flag draped gyms where they chant “Good afternoon Sensei! I am ready to learn!” In unison at 4:01pm...

You don't need belts or vans for this stuff to get out of hand. Chinese arts are some of the worst offenders in this area. This stuff is incredibly pervasive and is largely determined by the instructor, whether they teach jiujitsu or tai chi.

Edit: My tone may have sounded hostile, but I didn't mean that to be the case. I'm just trying to convey that some of my own personal experience with "belt hierarchy" is based on a variety of arts.

Interesting note about the Korean arts, the ones that are based off of their Japanese counterparts (tae kwon do for example) have a much more significant "belt hierarchy" than for example something like ssireum.

I do agree that it's the original culture of the instructor that really determines how a school is run.

Ssireum fits my thesis because it was never militarized, that I know of. It's folk wrestling, village stuff, not regimented and codified for use in warfare (and thus not subject to military discipline that would have instilled "traditional discipline" or the like).

Robear wrote:

Ssireum fits my thesis because it was never militarized, that I know of. It's folk wrestling, village stuff, not regimented and codified for use in warfare (and thus not subject to military discipline that would have instilled "traditional discipline" or the like).

It does certainly, as does tae kwon do in the opposite direction, which was largely "created" by military generals after independence. But who all learned karate during their stays in Japan.

Koreans all ask me why I never learned TKD (apparently it is some kind of requirement if you are of Korean extraction). I generally answer that I didn't see the utility in dancing in pajamas to break perfectly good pieces of wood, but the real answer is that there is no way I would put up with the whole "discipline" bs.

Paleocon wrote:

Koreans all ask me why I never learned TKD (apparently it is some kind of requirement if you are of Korean extraction). I generally answer that I didn't see the utility in dancing in pajamas to break perfectly good pieces of wood, but the real answer is that there is no way I would put up with the whole "discipline" bs.

It's part of physical training in the Korean military and because military service is mandatory it's basically assumed that everyone of a certain age holds at least a first degree black belt.

Karate was militarized in its origins in Okinawa, and then in the late 19th century, such that people still alive today can remember taking government Karate classes which were intended to instill martial spirit in preparation for military service...

Paleocon wrote:

Koreans all ask me why I never learned TKD (apparently it is some kind of requirement if you are of Korean extraction). I generally answer that I didn't see the utility in dancing in pajamas to break perfectly good pieces of wood, but the real answer is that there is no way I would put up with the whole "discipline" bs.

Eh, every kid activity talks about learning discipline and other character building stuff.
While I stick with TKD since it's nearby and a sufficient level of active for aging suburbanites, the cultiness isn't honestly that much worse than most wrestling programs or frankly any other activity that people get way to into. Ex. traveling soccer, cheerleading, D&D, etc.

I'm ok with some of the traditions like bowing, saying sir. As long as at the end of the day it's understood that we are all adults who are paying for a service.

maverickz wrote:

I'm ok with some of the traditions like bowing, saying sir. As long as at the end of the day it's understood that we are all adults who are paying for a service.

True. When you start mixing adults and older kids is where it's annoying, but I get it to an extent.

I caught one of the spastic Russians last night in a kimura which allowed me to sweep him. He was strong as hell, so I wasn't able to finish it traditionally. Instead, I just put my weight on him until he stopped bucking and finished him with a straight arm lock. After I let him up, he said "that was awful". I replied with my best Ken Jeong voice "but did you die?".

I just came off industrial quantities of Ibuprofen, Flexeril, and Prednisone for an acute case of sciatica I developed sometime during the house move. This meant that I was two full weeks off the mat laid up with injury. I thought I could stretch my way to wellness and thought I was mostly there, so I participated in class last night.

It was too early to come back.

I am back in the land of Ice and Ibuprofen.

You are always able to bounce these ideas off me before putting them into action. Or my wife. She’s the pro in this stuff.

Feel better soon, again...

Paleocon wrote:

I just came off industrial quantities of Ibuprofen, Flexeril, and Prednisone for an acute case of sciatica I developed sometime during the house move. This meant that I was two full weeks off the mat laid up with injury. I thought I could stretch my way to wellness and thought I was mostly there, so I participated in class last night.

It was too early to come back.

I am back in the land of Ice and Ibuprofen.

We are living parallel lives. Last night was my first night back after two or three months. We had a baby and then my herniated disk and pinched nerve came back. I've been doing PT and meds for weeks. Just yesterday I finally got permission to go back. So I went back. Thought I think my end results were better than yours. I feel good afterwards.

It looks like I am probably of the mat for another two weeks. I hung out with some of the older folks at the gym and joked that we wanted to start an over 50 only class.

I'm gonna get my hip looked at on Thursday. My guess is, I'm out for at least a few months. I may need to go back to punchy-kicky stuff, just because it's a solid workout, with less chance of injury (except for my knees lol).

Sigh. I just have not caught fire with BJJ yet.

So not like all your fancy rolling, but I'm pleased with my accomplishment.
ATA TKD 1st Degree

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Congrats!

After an almost three month break I finally got back on the mat. It felt good, real good, I missed it. I was out due to a neck injury (herniated disk leading to a pinched nerve). After MRIs, anesthetic shots (useless), and a steroid shot (magic!) I finally felt well enough to get back. It'll take a little while to both get my mind straight again and feel secure enough in my recovery to really train hard again, but a little at a time is how I will make sure I'm still doing this when I'm eighty.

maverickz wrote:

After an almost three month break I finally got back on the mat. It felt good, real good, I missed it. I was out due to a neck injury (herniated disk leading to a pinched nerve). After MRIs, anesthetic shots (useless), and a steroid shot (magic!) I finally felt well enough to get back. It'll take a little while to both get my mind straight again and feel secure enough in my recovery to really train hard again, but a little at a time is how I will make sure I'm still doing this when I'm eighty.

Welcome back! Neck injuries are scary stuff!

Knightsabre wrote:
maverickz wrote:

After an almost three month break I finally got back on the mat. It felt good, real good, I missed it. I was out due to a neck injury (herniated disk leading to a pinched nerve). After MRIs, anesthetic shots (useless), and a steroid shot (magic!) I finally felt well enough to get back. It'll take a little while to both get my mind straight again and feel secure enough in my recovery to really train hard again, but a little at a time is how I will make sure I'm still doing this when I'm eighty.

Welcome back! Neck injuries are scary stuff!

That's for sure! There were times when I'd wonder "Is this it? Is my time in jiujitsu over?" and I'd get really depressed.

Context - I like watching MMA as a casual fan, so I don't know the rules that well.

I fell down a rabbit hole of watching MMA knockouts and submissions on YouTube, and then a series of "How to get DQed in competitive BJJ" clips got shown. These were sanctioned competitions, not UFC or other MMA organizations. This video seemed to consist of a lot of slams (I can understand) heel hooks (I think??) and knee bars. (Note, I know the terms from watching UFC, that's it.)

Why are knee bars and heel hooks banned or DQable??

I am working on my fourth month off the mat because of an L5-S1 herniation causing sciatica and muscular weakness.

All I have been able to do is rehab and swim

mudbunny wrote:

Context - I like watching MMA as a casual fan, so I don't know the rules that well.

I fell down a rabbit hole of watching MMA knockouts and submissions on YouTube, and then a series of "How to get DQed in competitive BJJ" clips got shown. These were sanctioned competitions, not UFC or other MMA organizations. This video seemed to consist of a lot of slams (I can understand) heel hooks (I think??) and knee bars. (Note, I know the terms from watching UFC, that's it.)

Why are knee bars and heel hooks banned or DQable??

The legality of knee bars, heel hooks, and other leg locks varies by division and gi or no gi. The IBJJF stated reason is they are too dangerous is those cases.