2015/16 Soccer Thread

I dunno if Abramovich made a mistake the first time. When you see the Mourinho train careening off course I'm not sure theres much choice in the matter.

The first time...

So Mourinho dares a Russian Oligarch to sack him... and he obliges? Its within the owners right to express displeasure and most managers know thats when you zip it.

as for singling players out. Well thats just kind of a bad idea. Or at least in FM it is.

Schurrle and Mohamed Salah

Media asks him if hes upset with the 2 exact players and he obliges. At least in this situation he tossed 2 guys under the bus that were probably expendable. Didn't go over so well when he did it with Casillas.

Speaking of, its 2015, hes not the coach of Porto or Real. Yet he still has an opinion about...

Casillas Salary

Ex-Real Madrid keeper Jerzy Dudek lifts lid on Jose Mourinho's fractious relationship with players

The guy is a nut.

Like Clusks said it can work when he creates the underdog or the world is against us shield and he then motivates his players to go to war for him but once you lose the dressing room by singling every other person out for the most minuscule things I'm not sure it works anymore. Problem with Mourinho also is that I'm not sure if he knows how to wind it back. Its a good ploy and gimmick if you know how to whip it out of your bag of tricks like Ferguson did but if your response to it going flat is to just wind it up to thermo nuclear expolsion well thats just when he explodes burns out.

Which means I should be checking the odds of first manager sacked.

Mourinho made Chelsea a consecutive winning team.
His only failure then was not winning a Champions League which I believe was Roman's ultimate goal.
Yes, I say it was a wrong call, but he knows better now.

He's not managing Real or Porto, but he, like everyone else, can give his opinion. I don't even agree with most of what he said there (talking about teams spending buttloads of cash when he did the same thing on his first stint at Chelsea), but it's just an opinion.

As for blasting his players/team when they don't play to his liking, that's just how he rolls since the very beginning. It's not pretty, but say what you will, he's been generally effective. Do you prefer Wenger and just win a cup once in while?

I feel like "Sure, he's an asshole, but at least he wins" is a sentiment too often expressed regarding sports figures. You don't have to be an asshole to be good at what you do. I don't see how blasting his players/team contributes to his effectiveness.

Depends on the player. Some players can't handle it, others just try harder next time. Mourinho doesn't seem to care about the former.

You can't really compare Wenger and Mourinhos records.

Mourinho has been jumping from team to team spending then wearing out his welcome. Wenger has spent a large chunk of his career playing the role as Arsenal accountant. Not many trophies but Arsenal now sit in a competitive position to spend with the big clubs for the next 20 years? 14 years of CL €€€? Not the worst record really.

If Mourinho and Wenger were both available as managers it depends on what my club needed. Doesn't matter though as I'd just hire Klopp anyways.

Wembley wrote:

I feel like "Sure, he's an asshole, but at least he wins" is a sentiment too often expressed regarding sports figures. You don't have to be an asshole to be good at what you do.

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Couldn't resist using that .gif, but genuinely agree with your post. I'd go further and say that sentiment is overused even outside the realm of sports figures.

Speaking of coaches with egos that can be seen from space, it appears Van Gaal may have been shading the truth when he claimed De Gea didn't want to play.

BBC wrote:

David De Gea is surprised at being left out of Manchester United's team for the first two games of the season.

Contrary to Louis van Gaal's comments, sources close to De Gea say he never expressed a desire not to play.

De Gea is not happy to have been made to train with United's reserve team. He will not be considered by manager Van Gaal until the transfer window shuts.

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jowner wrote:

If Mourinho and Wenger were both available as managers it depends on what my club needed. Doesn't matter though as I'd just hire Klopp anyways. ;)

I'd probably go with Klopp too.

Soldado is heading back to Spain to Vilarreal.

7 goals in 52 league games 1 in 24 last season for £26m. Ouch.

Kinda surprised they even got £10m for him considering he's 30.

My Spurs supporting friend is still in denial. "But he's great on the ball and creates for others." Chuckles.

Second that cross came off Kone's foot I called a goal.

Still hate my fantasy team!

1) Thank goodness that Aston Villa - Manchester United match was yesterday so I couldn't watch it. I don't think I'll be going out of my way to watch Man Utd games this season if they keep playing like that.

2) Pleasingly open (space-wise at least, to my terrible soccer-watching eyes) game so far in the Southampton-Everton match. Cleverley out wide makes no sense whatsoever to me but hey, Barkley actually picked out a through ball.

Really pleasing game for my Toffees. Barkley should have had another goal in the first half, but really i have no complaints. (Except setting my fantasy lineup terribly)

Did anyone else think Wayne Rooney looked unfit yesterday (and the game last week?) He was so off the pace.

In other news, Daryl Janmaat is a moron.

Have to love the culture of English football.

Janmaat stupidly goes in late on Montero twice early in the match (the 2nd time getting a deserved yellow), the commentator praises him for trying to ruffle Montero off his game and even says Montero had second thoughts playing the ball a bit later on because he looked to see if anyone is coming. Janmaat (unsurprisingly) gets beat a couple times later by Montero, commentator says Janmaat needs to be careful because he's on a yellow. Then Janmaat gets a second yellow for stupid shirtpulling after giving the ball away and the commentator is relentlessly critical, never mind the first two fouls.

Clusks wrote:

Did anyone else think Wayne Rooney looked unfit yesterday (and the game last week?) He was so off the pace.

In other news, Daryl Janmaat is a moron.

I really thought Rooney looked the worst man on the pitch for most of the game. Many poor passes and give aways.

EDIT: Apparently if I play you in goal, you will get red carded. Not a great call, in my opinion, missed a clear foul by Schmicheal against Sako that should have been a PK, now Adrian sent off for a yellow card foul.

Rooney was shockingly bad. Awful is an understatement. He is notorious for lacking match fitness at the start of the season. It has always been clear to see, and he had it confirmed when Ferguson said as much publicly, much to Wayne's frustration.

Rooney is not a natural athlete. He needs to train twice as hard, be mindful of his diet, and perhaps be managed better as he gets on in years. Ferguson not only grew tired of his attitude, but also his fitness and dwindling impact. Moyes should have moved him on.

If not for Falcao and van Persie fading as they did, Rooney would probably have had an issue with van Gaal this summer. Just as Ferguson overlooked him as a striker, van Gaal done the same after being disappointed in Rooney as a forward early last year. Through others mediocrity Rooney has found his way back up front. He'll do okay as the season rumbles on. He always does. I'm not sure it'll be enough, though, not for silverware. Short term he'll do. Long term we need a new striker.

Sunderland were awful today, once again. Dick should have listened to his wife and retired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...

Will he ever shut up? In the Guardian's 'Writer's Preview of the Season' recurring theme was "looking forward to football, not looking forward to listening to Jose twice a week". That is, even journalists feel they had enough of this circus, which really is something.

If they were fed up I'd expect them to talk or write more about the matches and less about the other stuff. Then again I guess they're chasing those clicks.

Palace-Arsenal was a lot of fun to watch and Giroud's goal was great. I still think Arsenal could really do with a defensive midfielder to push Coquelin to the bench/rotation (edit:) but going forward they're fantastic and they look solid (to my horrible eye) at the back.

Incredibly frustrated. Coquelin should have absolutely been sent off.

Aguero took five attempts to score one goal. That doesn't happen too often! Great goalkeeping by Begovic to keep Chelsea in the match at half time. Jose needs to change it up or City may hand out a spanking in the second half here.

Nothing quite like seeing Chelsea lose. Can't wait for Jose's next spin of the Wheel Of Blame.

Palace-Arsenal was a lot of fun to watch and Giroud's goal was great. I still think Arsenal could really do with a defensive midfielder to push Coquelin to the bench/rotation (edit:) but going forward they're fantastic and they look solid (to my horrible eye) at the back.

I felt we were ready to throw the game away - for all the good defensive work in the second half we just kept giving the ball away and made poor decisions going forward.
Still, you're allowed that comfort when you lead, so let's not be too critical... yet.

UCRC wrote:

Nothing quite like seeing Chelsea lose.

Yup. Sky blue for 90 minutes.

Also liking that I swapped Baines for Kompany!

Apparently City also signed Otamendi CB during the game and Mangala is going on loan.

And seeing Zombie/Falcao come on.

Hehehe.

Maybe Jose should spend his time with his defence, rather than criticising his medical team. Shame Odious Terry went off at half time, him rupturing every tendon in his body would have capped a perfect day.

Nice to see Jose as classy as ever. If ever an owner, manager, fans and players deserved each other, it's Chelsea.

And from the "Unexpected voice of Truth" pile, here's little Danny Taylor from the Grauniad.

"Sergio Aguero spent that entire match trying to score goals and play football. Diego Costa spent it trying to win free-kicks and pick fights"

Oh, and Eden ? David Silva says that he prefers a double bow on his boots. Just so you know, for when you become worthy to lace them up.

I was only able to watch the first 60 minutes of the match, but that was fun. Chelsea extremely suspect defensively two weeks in a row. conceding 35 shots (18 on-target). It's possible John Terry might be finished and if he is, it will be interesting to see the reaction if Mourinho puts him out to pasture like he (correctly) did with Casillas.

It's kind of a shame Pellegrini seems like such a nice man. If I were in his position I would have said post-match that Mourinho's a coward; eye-gouging Tito Vilanova, his many feuds, being overly cautious and parking the bus(I enjoy defensive football but it would turn the screws a bit), sacking the doctor and the physio when Hazard had to go off the moment the referee requested treatment whether they ran or not, the sacking being a deflection of being comprehensively outplayed 11v11 and 10v11 against Swansea. Compare his siege mentality to Kruschev banging his shoe and saying it's obvious it won't last, and then top things off by saying he's holding Hazard back with his tactical style and Hazard should be a Ballon D'or nominee calibre player but he isn't because of Mourinho (complete nonsense of course, but a fun way to twist the screws and maybe get PSG in for Hazard again).

Clearly I had spent too much time thinking in the shower this morning before the Arsenal match and I've gone off the deep end a bit.

Anyway, nice to see B3g0vic unable to steal one. One of my most disliked footballers.

Edit: Manchester City were a joy to watch and I thought Mangala was excellent. I love watching teams at the top of the 18-yard box try to work the ball into a scoring chance and City are one of those teams that are just so good at it makes great viewing.

City were brilliant. Aguero is pure class. On another day he'd have had a hat-trick. Silva and Navas were good, too. The whole City side were good, to be honest. Mangala is much improved on last season.

Jose Mourinho, whilst successful is an absolute arse. He is about as unsporting and arrogant as they come. His side are under performing, and he has created a toxic environment to compound matters. The whole medical staff incident. Singling out John Terry, club captain, club legend, and still a good defender. The constant jibes towards Wenger. His lack of respect for Everton in his public pursuit of Stones. He doesn't know when to stop, let alone dial it down a notch.

As a Manchester United supporter I am glad he is hogging the press spotlight. It keeps it away from us whilst we're still piecing our puzzle together. Keep it up Jose. Maybe we can steal ahead with Stones, should Everton be willing to sell to someone who are not a Jose Mourinho side.

After the Swansea draw you could get José at 40-50 first manager sacked.

Before today's game it was already down to 20-25. That's a decent drop on just how comical he's acting.

He's now down to 12-13.

He won't be the first as Dick over at Sunderland keeps this up he will be out the door before out of necessity.

If I could of got him alone to leave this year at 5+ I would of probably taken it.

Looks like Jose is writing the match reports now. Unbelievable...

Match report: Manchester City 3 Chelsea 0 from the official Chelsea website