By the way, when I am NFL commissioner, one of my acts will be to make All-Pro Football 2K an ongoing "thing".
The league recently established a retired player's fund. In order to receive benefits from the fund, under my regime, players would be required to sign an agreement to make their rights available for APF2K games. In exchange, a certain portion of the revenue from the game sales would go into the fund each year, giving it an annual source of income.
How the league has not put two and two together here, I don't know. You need to finance the fund, video games bring in money, and one company already went and made a retired player game, and they had to get rights on a case-by-case basis to do it.
By the way, when I am NFL commissioner, one of my acts will be to make All-Pro Football 2K an ongoing "thing".
The league recently established a retired player's fund. In order to receive benefits from the fund, under my regime, players would be required to sign an agreement to make their rights available for APF2K games. In exchange, a certain portion of the revenue from the game sales would go into the fund each year, giving it an annual source of income.
How the league has not put two and two together here, I don't know. You need to finance the fund, video games bring in money, and one company already went and made a retired player game, and they had to get rights on a case-by-case basis to do it.
If they went the next step and included an Ultimate team type mode, the game could actually generate a ton of revenue. Even in Madden, playing with retired guys is kind of more fun than the current stars. I have guys like Dan Dierdorf on my OL.
By the way, when I am NFL commissioner, one of my acts will be to make All-Pro Football 2K an ongoing "thing".
The league recently established a retired player's fund. In order to receive benefits from the fund, under my regime, players would be required to sign an agreement to make their rights available for APF2K games. In exchange, a certain portion of the revenue from the game sales would go into the fund each year, giving it an annual source of income.
How the league has not put two and two together here, I don't know. You need to finance the fund, video games bring in money, and one company already went and made a retired player game, and they had to get rights on a case-by-case basis to do it.
I've had this same thought before. Mostly around NCAA. It seems like it would be a no-brainer to create a game whose whole purpose was to put money in a trust for players when they're done playing.
It seems like it would be a slam dunk with the NFL. It's insane that it doesn't already exist.
You can see the moment Legion's heart breaks.
You can see the moment Legion's heart breaks.
You take far too much joy in my favorite franchises being abandoned and/or poorly resurrected.
Not all of us can be Witcher fanboys!
I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game. I think the Draft Champions mode looks like a blast. Its kind of like how we built teams in APFB.
I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game.
Madden has neat features, but the on-field simulation just aggravates me and pulls me out every time.
Last year's game was better than it has been in a while, but some issues still just bugged me to death.
I fully acknowledge that I am very picky about how a football game should feel.
Jayhawker wrote:I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game.
Madden has neat features, but the on-field simulation just aggravates me and pulls me out every time.
Last year's game was better than it has been in a while, but some issues still just bugged me to death.
I fully acknowledge that I am very picky about how a football game should feel.
It should feel like an 11 year old game?
I'm not being snarky because I agree. I'd totally play an online-capable 2k5.
*Legion* wrote:Jayhawker wrote:I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game.
Madden has neat features, but the on-field simulation just aggravates me and pulls me out every time.
Last year's game was better than it has been in a while, but some issues still just bugged me to death.
I fully acknowledge that I am very picky about how a football game should feel.
It should feel like an 11 year old game?
I'm not being snarky because I agree. I'd totally play an online-capable 2k5.
Dude, we can play an online capable 2K8. I wonder if that game will get the BC treatment. I voted for it.
DSGamer wrote:*Legion* wrote:Jayhawker wrote:I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game.
Madden has neat features, but the on-field simulation just aggravates me and pulls me out every time.
Last year's game was better than it has been in a while, but some issues still just bugged me to death.
I fully acknowledge that I am very picky about how a football game should feel.
It should feel like an 11 year old game?
I'm not being snarky because I agree. I'd totally play an online-capable 2k5.
Dude, we can play an online capable 2K8. I wonder if that game will get the BC treatment. I voted for it.
Can we? I thought the servers for 2k8 were turned off. To say nothing of the fact that interest tailed off in favor of NCAA, which is now defunct.
Man, football video games are a huge bummer right now.
True dat.
Although, I had more fun with Madden 15 than I ever thought i would. I think they built a solid base upon which to build. Maybe I was just desperate for a football game. But I've gone years between games before. I don't know why this game clicked so much for me, but failed to draw most everyone else. I'm usually on the same page.
If they released an NCAA game based on this engine, I would be in heaven.
Jayhawker wrote:I know you have issues with Madden, Legion, but honestly, a lot of what they are doing right now is kind of what you've said you wanted in a game.
Madden has neat features, but the on-field simulation just aggravates me and pulls me out every time.
Last year's game was better than it has been in a while, but some issues still just bugged me to death.
I fully acknowledge that I am very picky about how a football game should feel.
Did you read the stuff I posted in the Madden thread? There is actually a ton of really cool improvements they have in place for this season. Of course, that assumes they aren't broke and actually work as advertised. But I think it is enough to at least give the game a try.
But yeah, you see, to be with football games what I am with baseball. I'd rather play nothing than play a game that has particular flaws that won't let me buy in.
I think I am able to look at Madden like more like a board game. It has an array of risk/reward opportunities for you to make decisions that are based on real football concepts. I didn't always feel this way, andI think Madden 15 was a bit of both the game getting better and me adjusting my expectations. But the gameplay improvements they have made all seem to be exactly in that risk/reward type of decision making, so I feel like they are doubling own on what I liked.
It should feel like an 11 year old game?
I'm not being snarky because I agree. I'd totally play an online-capable 2k5.
I could get into this for ages, but I'll try and keep it short.
2K5 absolutely had mechanical issues. But you know on Mythbusters how they do that thing they call "replicating the result"? Where they figure out whatever enhancements or shortcuts they need to do in order to make the thing happen the way the myth describes?
That was 2K5. It is not nearly as sophisticated of a simulation as Madden. But instead, it sought to better replicate the result of a football game.
Madden simulates things at the micro level much more realistically than 2K5. But the catch is that as the level of sophistication has risen, there are a lot more holes to exploit and break the result.
2K5's mechanics were highly predictable. Much less fluid than a Madden game. But the end result of that was a football game that was much easier to reason about. It felt more like football, for many of us at least. Madden's quest for better simulation often feels that it comes at the expense of the result. The annual proliferation of "nano blitzes" being a prime example. Things just break down too easily.
That said, I don't want to throw back entirely to 2K5. I want a modern game, but one that still puts in some constraints on its simulation in order to steer the final result into something that feels more like the football we expect.
Did you read the stuff I posted in the Madden thread?
No, I have not. I will take a look.
DSGamer wrote:It should feel like an 11 year old game?
I'm not being snarky because I agree. I'd totally play an online-capable 2k5.
I could get into this for ages, but I'll try and keep it short.
2K5 absolutely had mechanical issues. But you know on Mythbusters how they do that thing they call "replicating the result"? Where they figure out whatever enhancements or shortcuts they need to do in order to make the thing happen the way the myth describes?
That was 2K5. It is not nearly as sophisticated of a simulation as Madden. But instead, it sought to better replicate the result of a football game.
Madden simulates things at the micro level much more realistically than 2K5. But the catch is that as the level of sophistication has risen, there are a lot more holes to exploit and break the result.
2K5's mechanics were highly predictable. Much less fluid than a Madden game. But the end result of that was a football game that was much easier to reason about. It felt more like football, for many of us at least. Madden's quest for better simulation often feels that it comes at the expense of the result. The annual proliferation of "nano blitzes" being a prime example. Things just break down too easily.
That said, I don't want to throw back entirely to 2K5. I want a modern game, but one that still puts in some constraints on its simulation in order to steer the final result into something that feels more like the football we expect.
You want MLB 2K the football game.
Madden is not that. To me Madden is The Show, which Jay doesn't like.
They keep trying to make it something I'll like but the core continues to be busted.
You take far too much joy in my favorite franchises being abandoned and/or poorly resurrected.
But, seriously, guys, enough about the San Francisco 49ers.
My reaction when I saw the thread bumped and then actually clicked on it.
You want MLB 2K the football game.
Madden is not that. To me Madden is The Show, which Jay doesn't like.
They keep trying to make it something I'll like but the core continues to be busted.
I think this pretty fair. My only caveat is that while Madden was The Show to me, overwhelmingly, I felt like Madden 15 was significantly different, and really felt like my old 2K football days.
I did play quite a bit of Madden 25 to see if I could wrap my head around it before 15 released. It wasn't a large leap, as I had been playing a ton of NCAA, but it still was the Madden I didn't really like. I wasn't sure 15 was something I wanted, but I really dug it when the Early Access version dropped. I've put in the same ind of time to it as they did 2K8 and 2K5, as well as NCAA. I haven't don that with a Madden game since last century.
If the improvements EA are claiming they made are real, it kind of supports my idea that this game really was the beginning of turning a corner. I kind of hope to find some folks here to play it with. Of course, that got tougher with the PS4 outpacing the XB1 in our community, so that doesn't help, either. I don't see a PS4 in my future anytime soon.
It would have been nice if JMFB16 would have been the game to bring folks back together.
I kinda wish I had a One right now so I could get the games via the EA access thing. Stupid Sony.
The stuff they're talking about sounds great, but I'll wait until it comes out and is patched first. 
I kinda wish I had a One right now so I could get the games via the EA access thing. Stupid Sony.
The stuff they're talking about sounds great, but I'll wait until it comes out and is patched first. ;)
Yeah, it's EA. Massive grains of salt required.
This is what Damon Grow had to work with.
This is what Damon Grow did with it.
*Legion* wrote:You take far too much joy in my favorite franchises being abandoned and/or poorly resurrected.
But, seriously, guys, enough about the San Francisco 49ers.
My reaction when I saw the thread bumped and then actually clicked on it.
Best thing I have seen all week. gumbie wins the internet.
Pretty appropriate hero pic. Might I suggest this one, when Montana was knocked out cold to end his career, to the taunting of Bruce Smith.
I actually saw that one too when searching for pics, but the hero shots are so horizontal that Bruce would have been cropped out.
Also, it can be hard for me to acknowledge Montana as a Chief. That remains a deep childhood trauma.
I figured his Chief pic would represent the fact that this was never a real game. 
I actually saw that one too when searching for pics, but the hero shots are so horizontal that Bruce would have been cropped out.
Also, it can be hard for me to acknowledge Montana as a Chief. That remains a deep childhood trauma.
As if that wasn't bad enough. Now he comes back and dashes your video game football hopes. Joe Montana is cruel.
Somebody kill this thing before it multiplies.
Look at all those dashed hopes and dreams on the first page...
Jayhawker should be banned for making this thread pop up again.
I love how the game is still not out. They're running out of 2016.
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