Better Call Saul TV show (Breaking Bad spin-off with Bob Odenkirk)

Ya this is very much the Nacho, Mike and Jimmy show to me.
Everyone else is just around while we see the subtle dance of future criminal partners.

f*cking love these scumbags.

boogle wrote:

Ya this is very much the Nacho, Mike and Jimmy show to me.
Everyone else is just around while we see the subtle dance of future criminal partners.

f*cking love these scumbags.

+1

Baron Of Hell wrote:

The first two episodes were great. We all know where he ends up so he can't really stay clean. He is going to have a big fall sooner or later.

Yeah, but... I really loved the moments of humanity he displayed in the first season. Sure we know what will happen in broad strokes, but I don't want that side of the character to totally disappear either.

I loved that when the IT guy mentioned that some of the baseball cards were given to him by his father that it was the one thing that got Mike to help him out.

boogle wrote:

Ya this is very much the Nacho, Mike and Jimmy show to me.
Everyone else is just around while we see the subtle dance of future criminal partners.

f*cking love these scumbags.

Yep. And just when the story needs a little "Boom!" we'll see Tuco roll back into the story.

I really hope that they are able to keep the ideas fresh and fun for a while, and when things get old, jump ahead to his post-Heisenberg days so we can see some of the old Jimmy swagger come back. The flash-forwards are soul crushing for me.

DING!

Great season so far. It's probably my favorite show on now. It seems like Jimmy's "humanity" is currently being reserved for trying to be a good bf to Kim rather than applying it to others. Though yes Mike's stories are probably better than Jimmy's at the moment.

Question: Mike and his son were both Philly cops, yes? So why did his daughter in law move, of all places, to Albuquerque? Did she have some connection there or just looking for a place with no connection to the Philly cops?

Whoa.

Spoiler:

The Cousins don't even need to say anything. They're just terrors in sharkskin suits.

My review of the season 2 finale (including the moment I noticed the little chyron informing me it was the finale):

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Yup. That's about right. Also, if you haven't heard about the Easter egg hidden in the episode titles...

Spoiler:

The first letter of each episode title is an anagram for FRING'S BACK.

I'm guessing that's who left the note.

Any predictions

Spoiler:

how Chuck's tape recorder plot

will progress?

I'm thinking that

Spoiler:

it's a crappy old recorder with crappier older tapes that was recording while under a few of those thermal blankets, so the audio is not going to be legally useful.

Great season though. Not as much action as S1 began with but I loved how they dealt with Jimmy's temporary real job and all the Kim plots.

Please tell me S3 won't be just another 10 episodes.

Spoiler:

How useful will that recording actually be? Considering Chuck's behavior over the last season, the excuse of, "He was clearly upset, and was destroying his career, so I told him what he wanted to hear," seems pretty legit to me. I would honestly at this point believe Jimmy over Chuck (as a neutral third party that didn't know what we do).

I think the recording will play a part in Jimmy practicing under the name "Saul Goodman" rather than his real name.

Then again, Yellek thought Mike was going to put Hector Salamanca in a wheelchair and I told her not to expect this show to be that straightforward.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

I think the recording will play a part in Jimmy practicing under the name "Saul Goodman" rather than his real name.

That does seem pretty likely.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Then again, Yellek thought Mike was going to put Hector Salamanca in a wheelchair and I told her not to expect this show to be that straightforward. :)

This is actually what I thought might happen at first, but then I expected Hector to have his stroke before Mike could pull the trigger, but then the thing that happened happened.

trichy wrote:

Yup. That's about right. Also, if you haven't heard about the Easter egg hidden in the episode titles...

Spoiler:

The first letter of each episode title is an anagram for FRING'S BACK.

I'm guessing that's who left the note.

I knew about that anagram, but for some reason I never connected the note with him.
I thought it was Nacho (mainly because of how he put himself in front of Hector), but he wouldn't have had the time to go to Mike's car and come back to the cabin.

Let's open this place back up! I posted in the TV thread abouttyhyis scene, but it looks like this season will be worth discussing in a thread on its own. I saw this write up on the scene, and I think the writer hits the nail on the head.

Five True Statements About ‘Better Call Saul’: Mike Is A Really Good Grandpa

2. Kim Wexler is a freaking bulldog and you should never forget that

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Kim and Jimmy are in a strange place right now. Kim is banged up physically, with her arm still in a sling from the accident and her face still cut and scratched, and so Jimmy is picking up the slack there with breakfasts and shower bags and such. Jimmy, on the other hand, is banged up emotionally after Chuck’s death, and so Kim is picking up the slack there by pouring tequila and roasting Howard Hamlin all the way to hell.

We should talk about that scene. Let’s do that. Go back and watch it again but this time turn the volume all the way down. Just watch Kim’s face. Watch her eyes as she pierces lasers into Howard Hamlin’s soul. Watch the muscles in her and shoulders and neck flare out like a predator preparing to strike. Then watch Howard totally deflate across from her and ask yourself how much of that was acting and how much was just the natural human instinctive reaction Patrick Fabian had to someone tearing him apart limb from limb one phrase at a time. One of these days we’re going to have to give Rhea Seehorn an Emmy, mostly because she deserves it but also because I do not want her to ever yell at me like that.

If you go back and watch last week's premiere, there is a fantastic moment where when Jimmy approaches the torched house, you see Howard skulk off to the left of the screen. Just seeing this guy who exudes confidence and pride at every moment be hit like this. It looks like his thousand dollar suit was instead lined with lead. He can't even stand up straight. Patrick Fabian is doing some fantastic work. I may be in the minority of people who really feel sorry for his character right now.

Garth wrote:

I may be in the minority of people who really feel sorry for his character right now.

I doubt that. While Kim is right in chewing Howard out for trying to bring Jimmy in on his guilty feelings, Howard does it as an admission of guilt, not a chance to be free of that guilt. I think he was expecting, hoping, Jimmy would tear into him, but instead Jimmy shrugs it off as Howard's problem. Of course, we know that Jimmy is able to justify his role in Chuck's downfall thanks to Howard's guilt, but Howard can't know that. Howard is probably the one who gave Jimmy money from Chuck's estate, not Chuck. Howard actually had good intentions with wanting Jimmy on the board for the scholarship, he didn't understand just how contemptuous Chuck was of Jimmy - even though it was Chuck standing in Jimmy's way at HHM. I don't know if they've said that Howard has siblings, but I think that even if he doesn't, he operates on the assumption that siblings would never hurt each other the way Chuck hurt Jimmy (and, to be fair, vice versa). Howard is incredibly sympathetic, and really has been since Chuck told Jimmy that it was he himself who prevented Jimmy from working at HHM. It flipped the way I saw Howard from that point forward. He might be a bit of a tool, but he's not a bad guy.

That's my take on Howard, too. We were led to believe early on that he was a douche. As the the show went on, it became clear that he was actually a good guy, but with some flaws, not born out of selfishness, but in trying to appease everyone, which usually just helps the worst people in the room.

I'm up to date >_<

Totally agree with almost everything said about Howard. The only part I'd say probably is false is the amount of money that was given to Jimmy. That clearly was an "F-You" from beyond the grave to Jimmy as it was mentioned in that meeting that it was just enough for Jimmy to not contest the will, apparently. Unless I misunderstood. I think more will be made clear as the season progresses, like the contents of the letter and such.

I guess part of the reason I mentioned being in the minority, I was listening to the Insider podcasts with the showrunners and staff for the latest episode (you should all listen, it is consistently great, if not a bit self-congratulatory at times), and someone asked a general question to the other people being interviewed: "So do you feel bad for Howard?" I heard some very vocal "No way!" But I think this is too nuanced a show for it to be so black and white. Hell, despite how people feel about Chuck, you can certainly look through a prism where he is a victim on this show.

Oof...

Ah! Just remembered, I'm half way through the last episode.

*Heads off to watch it*

I felt really bad for Ehrmantraut.