NFL 2014: Week 13

I suspect he will sign with the Colts before Wednesday.

Pagano knows him and he fits in well with the scheme. The Colts have lost Bradshaw or the season and perhaps forever with what looks like an ugly ankle injury. And he has played with half the offensive line in the past.

He is a natural fit for the Colts. Not only that, the addition of Rice to that lineup takes them out of the "up and coming" bracket and puts them into the "can beat the Patriots" category.

Rice in no way would put the colts in the "Can beat the Patriots" category

Not even a little.

Unless of course Rice can also play defense and is quite good at it.

Q: I know he is only a rookie, and I know he is playing for the Jaguars, but has Blake Bortles shown us ANYTHING this season that should lead us to believe he isn’t going to be a huge bust?
—Kevin, Long Island

BS: The good news: You shouldn’t jump to conclusions with any rookie QB playing behind such an abysmal offensive line. The bad news: Bortles has tallied 15 picks, five fumbles and just eight passing TDs, along with an impossibly low 21.8 QBR. That’s really, really, really, really dreadful. Since 2006, only six qualifying QBs dipped under 25 QBR.

2013 Brandon Weeden: 24.7
2007 Kellen Clemens: 22.3
2011 Blaine Gabbert: 19.1
2006 Andrew Walter: 17.4
2009 JaMarcus Russell: 11.6
2010 Jimmy Clausen: 11.0

(That’s a murderer’s row. Literally — they murdered seasons. What a terrible omen for the Blake Bortles era. But hey, at least Sammy Watkins and Khalil Mack weren’t the next two 2014 draft picks after Bortles.)

So yeah....

Straight up: Bortles for Johnny Football. Who says no?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Straight up: Bortles for Johnny Football. Who says no?

Jacksonville

Jayhawker wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Straight up: Bortles for Johnny Football. Who says no?

Jacksonville

Legion.

Bortles hasn't been great, but QBR is deceiving IMO.

Let's compare those years by yards per attempt and yards per game:

2013 Brandon Weeden: 6.5 (216.4 yards/game)
2007 Kellen Clemens: 6.1 (152 yards/game)
2011 Blaine Gabbert: 5.4 (147.6 yards/game)
2006 Andrew Walter: 6.1 (139.8 yards/game)
2009 JaMarcus Russell: 5.2 (107.3 yards/game)
2010 Jimmy Clausen: 5.2 (119.8 yards/game)
2014 Blake Bortles: 6.8 (229.7 yards/game)

There's a big difference in production, only Weeden is remotely in the ballpark of Bortles. Bortles has not been the kind of completely deficient QB that makes up most of this list.

It hasn't been great, but it hasn't been that awful.

garion333 wrote:
The only reason this is domestic violence at all is because they have a relationship.

Pretty sure that's in the definition, J.

While that is exactly the definition, it also brings a ton of sexist baggage. I've said it before and I'll say it again; if this was Ready Rice and another man, there would be no issue, no public backlash, no outrage, even if it was two homosexual men. Giving Janay a paas because she's a woman, despite the fact that she bears equal responsibility as an instigator here is sexist, full stop.

Yep, what's reprehensible here is folks putting it down as classic DV behavior.

Stay classy.

Until you're going to call her a husband beater for her assault on Ray, it's absolutely sexist and reprehensible. Being classy had nothing to do with this in the least; drunken brawls between adults is about as classless at it gets. So, once again, the facts.

1. They were both very inebriated, to the point of not being rational.
2. They were both angry.
3. They are both guilty of misdemeanor domestic violence(no lasting injury).
4. Both of them acknowleged this in public.
5. Nobody had come forward and claimed this tip be anything but an aberrant incident.
6. Both are going through counseling, both marital and anger management.

Given all of that, I stand firmly that any backlash against Ray is undeserved at this point. Want sometime to be pissed off at? Adrian Peterson. He has left numerous scars on his 4 year old from whipping him with a switch. That's 3rd degree felony sh*t anywhere you go. Despite that, he plead diem to a misdemeanor for community control and continues to show no remorse ("I stand by my actions because I know my intent") and had publicly stated that he will continue to punish his kids in a similar manner. You want typical behavior? There you have it, the perfect example of a serial abuser.

J, not this again.

I quote myself from last time:

Janay Rice's behavior was inexcusable. She was behaving like an asshole, period.

However, her behavior in no way excuses or justifies Ray's response.

Janay's "multiple hits", as they were, were no threat of bodily harm to Ray. She wasn't throwing haymakers. She was slapping.

Make no mistake, Ray Rice has the right to not be slapped. Janay's behavior is in the wrong.

But it was not, in any way, sufficient to provoke the response it received. Ray unnecessarily escalated the violence in a huge way. He alone is responsible for that action.

AnimeJ wrote:

Once again, this situation absolutely cannot be about a man hitting a woman. It cannot be about size. It cannot be about anything but what happened;

... and "what happened" is a significantly unbalanced amount of violence. She was at a 3 and he took it to a 9. She is responsible for her 3, and he is solely responsible for his 9.

Stop trying to create a false equivalence with two drunk dudes fighting.

I am pretty sure that if some guy slapped me in the face and spit on me, I would knock him the f out with a left hook and sleep rather well at night (after a shower). The degree of force thing is a red herring. If you doubt it, try spitting on a random dude in a bar and see what you receive as an appropriate response. The initiation of force irrespective of the perceived degree is immaterial.

That said, there seems to be a pretty significant difference when it involves women and people domestic partners.

Paleocon wrote:

I am pretty sure that if some guy slapped me in the face and spit on me, I would knock him the f out with a left hook and sleep rather well at night (after a shower). The degree of force thing is a red herring. If you doubt it, try spitting on a random dude in a bar and see what you receive as an appropriate response. The initiation of force irrespective of the perceived degree is immaterial.

That said, there seems to be a pretty significant difference when it involves women and people domestic partners.

Seems to be?? How about there is no question. You don't hit ANY woman (let alone your fiancee) unless you fear for your life. You can attempt to restrain but at some point you have to walk away while being slapped and kicked.. if that doesn't work you run or get security to restrain and arrest. The cowardly act is to hit a woman. The psychopathic act is to knock your fiancee unconscious and drag her out of an elevator like nothing happened.

Clearly she was or is off her rocker.. but that doesn't give him the right to hit her.. it gives him the right to leave her and not marry her OR get professional help together so you don't have incidents where she is off her rocker.

If the situation is two men and we as a society don't react in a similar fashion then its OUR fault... or perhaps ethics in journalism.

TheGameguru wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I am pretty sure that if some guy slapped me in the face and spit on me, I would knock him the f out with a left hook and sleep rather well at night (after a shower). The degree of force thing is a red herring. If you doubt it, try spitting on a random dude in a bar and see what you receive as an appropriate response. The initiation of force irrespective of the perceived degree is immaterial.

That said, there seems to be a pretty significant difference when it involves women and people domestic partners.

Seems to be?? How about there is no question. You don't hit ANY woman (let alone your fiancee) unless you fear for your life. You can attempt to restrain but at some point you have to walk away while being slapped and kicked.. if that doesn't work you run or get security to restrain and arrest. The cowardly act is to hit a woman. The psychopathic act is to knock your fiancee unconscious and drag her out of an elevator like nothing happened.

Clearly she was or is off her rocker.. but that doesn't give him the right to hit her.. it gives him the right to leave her and not marry her OR get professional help together so you don't have incidents where she is off her rocker.

If the situation is two men and we as a society don't react in a similar fashion then its OUR fault... or perhaps ethics in journalism.

Precisely my point.

Muddying the water with this "degree of force" business is not constructive. If this was a man initiating violence, there would be simply zero public outrage no matter how violent the response.

What's the website that shows what games are broadcasted on TV by region?

TheGameguru wrote:

What's the website that shows what games are broadcasted on TV by region?

This one?

Multiple reports suggest Jim Harbaugh is about to get the Jon Gruden treatment.

I'm so lucky to get to watch the Browns. Woo. Hoo.

Wow, Bills' punter just kicked a punt out at the 5 yd line. I can't recall the last time I saw a corner kick. Feels like years ago now.

kaostheory wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

What's the website that shows what games are broadcasted on TV by region?

This one?

I have to thank Rat Boy for turning me on to that site. It was a fun part of the NFL threads way back before he lapsed into a coma.

Anyone put money down on a prop bet that the Vikes would return two blocked punts for TDs?

If so, congrats! You just won a bazillion dollars.

Judging by the way the Panthers season is going (i.e, stupidly bad), I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a team has never before had two block-6s in the same game.

Well, punts are being blocked a bit in Minnesota.

Apparently playing TB is a prime time game now.

I'll just leave this tidbit here.

Enix wrote:

Judging by the way the Panthers season is going (i.e, stupidly bad), I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a team has never before had two block-6s in the same game.

Update: The Panthers radio guys say this has happened four times before. The most recent occurrence was in 1990 when the Chiefs did it to the Browns.

Enix wrote:
Enix wrote:

Judging by the way the Panthers season is going (i.e, stupidly bad), I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a team has never before had two block-6s in the same game.

Update: The Panthers radio guys say this has happened four times before. The most recent occurrence was in 1990 when the Chiefs did it to the Browns.

That had to be the frank Gansz years. The special teams were so good that they fired Mackovic even though they made the playoffs, just to make Gansz the head coach. Those were some ugly years. But it at least forced Lamar Hunt to clean house and bring Carl Peterson, who hire Schottenheimer.

First time this year I've tried to rely on the NFL Sunday Ticket app, and it doesn't work. Technical issues, can't watch anything. Then again, from the look of the stats in the Bucs-Bengals game, maybe I should be glad about this.

garion333 wrote:

I'm so lucky to get to watch the Browns. Woo. Hoo.

I pay DirecTV alot of money for that weekly disappointment.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

First time this year I've tried to rely on the NFL Sunday Ticket app, and it doesn't work. Technical issues, can't watch anything. Then again, from the look of the stats in the Bucs-Bengals game, maybe I should be glad about this.

I had poor experiences with the PS3 app two years ago. Nothing but complaints and no help on the support forums. I moved on and haven't looked back.

NFL Mobile works well, but watching foosball on my phone.... Maybe with a tablet.

Wow. Jags v Giants is...what you'd expect.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I'm so lucky to get to watch the Browns. Woo. Hoo.

I pay DirecTV alot of money for that weekly disappointment.

Woohoo! Being a Browns fan in Iowa has to be the saddest thing ever.

I thought Hoyer was gonna be benched a couple weeks ago, but he's seemingly getting worse.

Tv is cutting to Manziel now. If not this week, then next.

Edit: He's taking snaps and warming up.