steam in home streaming

Hi all,

My question is simple, short of using a laptop or running an HDMI cable across a room, are their any semi affordable/reasonable latency solutions to stream steam games from my PC to the TV?

I've looked at at stuff like the nyrius Aries, and airtame, and some cheaper wireless HDMI options on amazon but I need the guidance of the brain trust.

I hope valve will one day build a cheap streaming only steam machine, but until then, I will look for another way.

Thanks

Not sure what your definition of "cheap" is but the Nvidia Shield does everything you are talking about as long as your PC has a GTX650 or above for ~$200.

We currently have two threads;

the Stream anything to any device over a home network "catch-all" thread

and the The All New Gabriel Newell's Digital Wonder Emporium, aka, The Steam Update Thread

people are testing and sharing their finds.

Good luck!

Thanks guys. I'll check those out. The shield is also a stand alone gaming solution. I'm looking for something roku level. Like $99 and sorry focused on streaming. I'll check those threads

It sounds like the real goal is 'cheap', which is fine, but I'm not sure anything like that exists quite yet. AFAIK, you'll need something like a Shield or an Intel NUC to do a reasonable job. You don't need huge firepower in your streaming client, but I'm not aware of anything in the $100 range that has enough oomph.

Maybe an Ouya? Those are kind of cool little boxes for emulation, perhaps they might stream? Could look into it.

Thanks guys. I'll check those out. The shield is also a stand alone gaming solution. I'm looking for something roku level. Like $99 and sorry focused on streaming. I'll check those threads

Well if that is your criteria then the answer is simply no. That said the shield is the closest thing i'm aware of to what you are describing and if you really are that price sensitive you can get a used one below $150. I use mine pretty much exclusively for streaming games and it is fantastic at it.

If you wanted to get more do it yourself you could check out limelight which mimics shield streaming to non-shield devices. Pair that with a cheap tablet and it may get close to what you want at the price you want to pay.

We currently have two threads;

the Stream anything to any device over a home network "catch-all" thread

and the The All New Gabriel Newell's Digital Wonder Emporium, aka, The Steam Update Thread

Neither of those threads is focused on game streaming, there may be posts in each that address the issue but I think a new thread dedicated to in home game streaming is a great idea. That said I don't think the title of this particular thread is very good.

Stric9 wrote:
Thanks guys. I'll check those out. The shield is also a stand alone gaming solution. I'm looking for something roku level. Like $99 and sorry focused on streaming. I'll check those threads

Well if that is your criteria then the answer is simply no. That said the shield is the closest thing i'm aware of to what you are describing and if you really are that price sensitive you can get a used one below $150. I use mine pretty much exclusively for streaming games and it is fantastic at it.

If you wanted to get more do it yourself you could check out limelight which mimics shield streaming to non-shield devices. Pair that with a cheap tablet and it may get close to what you want at the price you want to pay.

We currently have two threads;

the Stream anything to any device over a home network "catch-all" thread

and the The All New Gabriel Newell's Digital Wonder Emporium, aka, The Steam Update Thread

Neither of those threads is focused on game streaming, there may be posts in each that address the issue but I think a new thread dedicated to in home game streaming is a great idea. That said I don't think the title of this particular thread is very good.

You know, I'd actually buy a shield just to do that. Does it plug into your TC via HDMI?

This is actually from an email I sent to a friend about this same subject in March:

My office is now the nursery, so I don't have room for a multi-monitor setup anymore. So I set up my gaming PC running headless in the closet of our guest room. Initially, I set it up just to run a Plex server. But I remembered playing with Splashtop a few months ago to play XCom.

I played around with it a bit more and the latest version of their server is pretty damned awesome.

So now I've got my gaming rig running in a closet connected via gigabit to my OUYA. The gaming pc in the closet runs a Splashtop server and the OUYA runs the android client. I have a wireless receiver for 360 controllers plugged in as well. There's nowhere in the house that doesn't receive the controller signal fine.

It's pretty excellent. If I'm streaming to the OUYA I can play on the TV perfectly. If the wife wants to watch TV, I can log into splashtop with my MBP or Nexus 7 and keep playing.

Streaming wirelessly can be a bit hit or miss, but the only issues I've had were intermittent. I was able to stream Batman Arkham Origins without any impact and it's a pretty graphically intense and fast-paced game.

Since then it is my primary mode of gaming. I've played Assassin's Creed 4, Shadows of Mordor, Civ: Beyond Earth, and a ton of other older games streaming via Splashtop to the MBP my company gave me, my wife's, my tablet, my phone, or -less occasionally- the OUYA.

Using wireless - I only have wireless n so far- is typically fine, but when I moved to WPA security it introduced noticeable lag. I used an AP to set up an unencrypted network that only allows whitelisted MAC addresses to connect. Not sure what kind of security implications that has, but I can stream games!

Wired, though, is great.

If I were to set it up today, I'd probably buy an android stick with decent internals and a network port and run that on the TV. Since I have the OUYA, though, I haven't gotta worry about it too much. I've played with Steam's in-home streaming (And limelight) and it's not quite as good for my setup as it assumes the input comes from the client.

So far, Splashtop does just what I need it to. Might work out for you, as well.

Lester - Awesome post. I have also used Splashtop to stream Skyrim to the iPad while watching a football game on my TV and it worked pretty well. But I was about 10 feet from the server machine with the xbox controller receiver, how far would you say the receiver works for you? I'm also going to try turning WPA off on my router to see if that helps with streaming via Vita or Shield at my house.

You know, I'd actually buy a shield just to do that. Does it plug into your TC via HDMI?

Yes, but it has a mini-hdmi out so you have to get a mini->normal cable. Further you would have to get a usb to lan adapter if you wanted to hard wire it.

NZXT DOKO looks like 90% of what I was looking for. 99 dollars. Streaming focused. Only downsides are 30fps and no wifi but for what I need it to do, it's perfect.

I've heard rumours about PS4 and Steam... I can only find substantiated articles about PS4 streaming to PC, so you can play your PS4 games a your PC.

I heard a rumour about Steam games being playable on PS4 in the foreseeable future, am I crazy or is that a thing?

Streaming ps4 games to PC is a real thing. The other though....you're crazy.

Why on earth would I want to play my PS4 games on my PC? That sounds terrible. It's like giving me an extra thumb, but in the middle of my forehead.

Dakuna wrote:

Why on earth would I want to play my PS4 games on my PC? That sounds terrible. It's like giving me an extra thumb, but in the middle of my forehead.

I don't know. Microsoft has the same feature where you can stream your Xbone games to your PC. Someone must want the ability or both companies wouldn't have spent the resources to do it. I just don't understand the use case.

On the flip side, I would have been thrilled if either company would have worked out a way to stream your PC games on their console. Wanting to play better versions from your PC on your TV makes sense to me; the reverse doesn't. However, I'm sure this is my own myopic viewpoint as I'll almost always choose TV and controller over PC monitor and M/K.

I guess it's for streamers?

Could also be for people who want to play their console while the TV it's connected to is in use. I can see it being useful in some cases.

Chaz wrote:

Could also be for people who want to play their console while the TV it's connected to is in use. I can see it being useful in some cases.

Fair point.

Arise!

This is an interesting bit of news.

Valve will soon let you stream Steam games to phones and tablets

Personally, I'm excited for this because it would be great to play all of my point-and-click adventure games on my iPad.

Yup. It turns out my Link-connected TV is constantly being used for stupid stuff like watching shows that my daughter enjoys, so being able to Phantom Brave on my phone would be fantastic!

Was thinking of picking up a laptop for streaming games on the couch - the info I've found so far has all been fairly vague along the lines of "any recent laptop" but is there anything I should specifically be looking for to make the experience as good as possible (eg say 4gb of RAM is fine but it works better with 8 or something along those lines)

I think the target machine is way less important than the host machine. I mean, the Steam Link isn't a powerful box or anything, and streams really well, and they're letting you stream to a phone, which is even dinkier. You want a decently powerful rig to stream from (CPU cores seem to be a decent factor, as moving from an i3 > i7 bumped my streaming frame rate in busy scenes in Witcher pretty noticeably), and ideally keep the connections as wired as possible. Wire the whole chain if possible, at least wire the host if you can, and use a 5ghz connection if possible.

Host machine is fairly robust (6700k w/ 1080ti) so should be ok on that front. I tried streaming to an old 2-in-1 and the performance was a bit erratic; I'd assumed it was because it's the sort of "PC" where calling it a potato would be unfair to potatoes, but it may have been the lack of wired connection.

I'd try wirin the client machine first and seeing how it works. I've got a host machine that's less powerful than that, and streaming to a wired steam link is fine, but the same game to a wireless MacBook pro on a 5ghz network has the occasional hiccup.

Chaz wrote:

I'd try wirin the client machine first and seeing how it works. I've got a host machine that's less powerful than that, and streaming to a wired steam link is fine, but the same game to a wireless MacBook pro on a 5ghz network has the occasional hiccup.

The ur-potato doesn't even have an ethernet port unfortunately. It occurred to me last night that I'll want to use the laptop for WoW as well (which sounds like it can be a bit funny with Steam link), and I imagine anything that can cope with WoW will be more than fine for streaming.

Yeah, anything that uses a launcher rather than going direct through Steam can be tricky with streaming. Generally, if you buy it through steam, it's fine even if it uses a launcher (like Uplay stuff), and games that you add to steam that run without a launcher (DRM free stuff from GOG, etc) are great. It's the stuff that exclusively goes through a launcher like Blizzard or Origin that's tricky. You can get it to work over streaming, but it's not clean. I got Dragon Age: Inquisition to stream at one point, but the Blizzard launcher looks like a much bigger pain to do.

You might be able to add a custom link in Steam to launch the executable directly. Even if the game has a launcher, sometimes it can be safely bypassed.

I don't think Blizzard's can be. Hell, even Origins required some extra setting up, and you still had to stream the Origin launcher, then start the game from there.

Yeah I tried Steam streaming with some Blizzard games just a couple of months ago. I got it to sort of work, but had some weird problems and decided it just wasn't a good solution.

I tested the Android app on an older tablet the other day and there was an issue where the mouse pointer is hugely offset. It made point and click adventure games unplayable.

Alas, it's still beta though so maybe this will get addressed down the road.