Alien Love Gardener wrote:I dunno, I think neither Venom nor Joker really work. If I had to pick one, it'd be Venom, because the odd couple energy results in some genuinely funny scenes despite itself, while Joker - while being genuinely handsomely made - just makes me wish I was watching the movies its imitating instead.
I'm glad it isn't just me. I see trailers for Joker 2 and I'm so painfully uninterested it's impressive. Venom is the best Sony-made 'current Spider-man' thing they have, but it's such a low bar to clear that almost anything would do it. I actually hate that the Sony movies are even considered Marvel movies, it just hurts the branding.
I honestly don’t understand how the Venom movies or Kraven can be considered “in the Sony Spider-verse”, seeing as they have exactly zero Spider-Man (character or references) in them.
They're purposely set there, even if they don't mention him. Kind of like what people want with a Star Wars story that is completely unrelated to any of the Skywalkers, Jedi, or any characters from the original trilogy.
They're purposely set there, even if they don't mention him. Kind of like what people want with a Star Wars story that is completely unrelated to any of the Skywalkers, Jedi, or any characters from the original trilogy.
Sure, but the main aspect of a Spider-Man universe is, well, Spider-Man. Venom exists specifically because of Spider-Man. Kraven comes to New York specifically because of Spider-Man. If you want to not have Spidey in your film, cool beans, but acknowledge that he’s part of the landscape.
Obviously you can build stories around characters that are similar to the Spider-Man villains, but pick your lane - either ignore Spider-Man or include him, but don’t ignore him and try to pretend you’re including him behind the scenes or something.
EDIT because Star Wars is the example I used in conversation earlier today: Star Wars is a setting, Spider-Man is a character. Lots of stories can happen in a given setting; it’s hard to justify calling a story a Spider-Man story when you don’t include Spider-Man in any way.
I haven't seen Venom but I'm trying to figure out how something with Eddie Brock could possibly work without someone named Peter Parker in it.
Kind of like how Joaquin's Joker is just a dumb Taxi Driver with no Batman.
I haven't seen Venom but I'm trying to figure out how something with Eddie Brock could possibly work without someone named Peter Parker in it.
Kind of like how Joaquin's Joker is just a dumb Taxi Driver with no Batman.
It becomes a neat story with similar characters and a copied name. (The Venoms are excellent fun movies. 
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Without the Peter Parker envy backstory, Brock was able to go straight to being an anti-hero, which is the more popular version of the character anyways. Not every spidey villain has that capability though, some are just best as villains.
I’m doing my annual rewatch of Captain Marvel today, and I just noticed something I never noticed before. There’s a scene where Carol is at her Air Force buddy Maria’s house in Louisiana, and the Skrulls stop by. The Skrull leader has his guy secretly shapeshift into Maria to distract her daughter. He later agrees to let the guy come in so they can figure out a thing.
Here’s the fun part: when the daughter and the other Skrull walk in, the other Skrull changes from Maria back into himself. In the background there is a very subtle musical cue that sounds like a Theremin—the sound that was used in every 50s and 60s movie with aliens to indicate something weird is happening.
Just finished the whole Infinity Saga rewatch. The ending of Endgame still gets me. Inexplicably got misty again. I blame the music.
It is astonishingly good.
Watching Falcon/Soldier for the first time with my son this week and he HATES John Walker. "THE real Captain Erica wouldn't do that!"
My work here is done.
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*well not a character I really care about but I hope it is good for those who like this kind of thing.
Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
mudbunny wrote:Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
This is a good description; I know on a conscious level it was utterly terrible in any way that genuinely resembles the concept of a "movie", but it was still very enjoyable. It was like a sketch comedy show full of cameos and violence that just vaguely linked together hilarious things that had the vaguest of common threads, and, even though it was dumb as hell, it was still fun.
lunchbox12682 wrote:mudbunny wrote:Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
This is a good description; I know on a conscious level it was utterly terrible in any way that genuinely resembles the concept of a "movie", but it was still very enjoyable. It was like a sketch comedy show full of cameos and violence that just vaguely linked together hilarious things that had the vaguest of common threads, and, even though it was dumb as hell, it was still fun.
Yup.
I think movies like this (stupid fun) have an important place. Not everything has to be as serious as Civil War or Endgame. Sometimes, seeing DP use a corpse as a weapon is exactly what is needed, especially if the movie knows that is what it is.
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I'm excited for Agatha. She was a blast in WandaVision and I'm a fan of the actress in general. Forgot until the other night when I saw an interview that she was Olivia Octavius in Spider-Verse. More Kathryn Hahn please.
Kathryn Hahn's mutant ability is to know exactly the perfect amount of scenery she needs to chew at any given moment to make a scene great.
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