Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

DudleySmith wrote:

Yes, I felt the film (which I also liked) suffered from that character motivation not really making sense to me. I think we were meant to believe she felt remorse for it, when I didn't really feel like she had anything to feel guilty for - she decapitated the leadership of an aggressive enemy hegemony and their resulting civil war caused all the bad things to happen to them. This meant the film was muddled thematically. I smell rewrites or something.

I think it just got addressed in a throwaway line, like the one at the end about how the other planets will recover, but was too ambiguous about what she was saying she felt like she had to fix before she could come home to Earth, so it could be interpreted as guilt about what happened to Hala.
I think it was meant to be taken as her feeling guilty that her sense of obligation to help the newly freed planets pick up the pieces kept her from coming back to Earth, but because they didn't previously mention the fate of the Kree-conquered worlds in the aftermath of destroying the Supreme Intelligence, it was easy to assume she meant she felt like she needed to help Hala, which was the only planet they had told us that had problems.

Sorbicol wrote:

You’re all dancing around the fact the plot wasn’t really very good. That’s all.

I think we're coming at it from a different POV than that.

Stengah wrote:
DudleySmith wrote:

Yes, I felt the film (which I also liked) suffered from that character motivation not really making sense to me. I think we were meant to believe she felt remorse for it, when I didn't really feel like she had anything to feel guilty for - she decapitated the leadership of an aggressive enemy hegemony and their resulting civil war caused all the bad things to happen to them. This meant the film was muddled thematically. I smell rewrites or something.

I think it just got addressed in a throwaway line, like the one at the end about how the other planets will recover, but was too ambiguous about what she was saying she felt like she had to fix before she could come home to Earth, so it could be interpreted as guilt about what happened to Hala.
I think it was meant to be taken as her feeling guilty that her sense of obligation to help the newly freed planets pick up the pieces kept her from coming back to Earth, but because they didn't previously mention the fate of the Kree-conquered worlds in the aftermath of destroying the Supreme Intelligence, it was easy to assume she meant she felt like she needed to help Hala, which was the only planet they had told us that had problems.

I understand what you're saying, but it comes back to them not successfully establishing Carol's major character motivation for me, which contributed it feeling like a set of scenes and not a really cohesive story. I still enjoyed lots of aspects of the movie, but it was less than the sum of its parts.

The plot was a mess but it is so fun to watch Iman Vellani that I don't care. Her parents are also great.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

I can't stand when galaxy and universe are used essentially interchangeably.

Spoiler:

In the space of a sentence Carol is talking about the Kree having jump points or something in 95% of the galaxy so of course she's been to Aladna in the Magellanic Galaxy.

I remembered this message while I was watching a YouTube video about recent research on an isolated dwarf galaxy. As an explanation for what a dwarf galaxy is, the astrophysicist mentioned the Large Magellanic Cloud. It is a dwarf galaxy that orbits the Milky Way at a distance of about 163,000 light years. That distance is a bit over 1.5 times the diameter of the Milky Way, so not really all that far on a galactic scale. It is much closer than the bigger galaxies in the Local Group, as their distances are on the order of a million or more light years.

So, maybe that Magellanic Galaxy reference in the movie is not all that crazy.

All that said, space travel in the MCU is pretty silly. It’s kind of like Star Wars. Spaceships always seem to travel at the speed of plot.

Watching Love and Thunder on a second screen today....wow it sucks. So much more than I remembered.

Love and Thunder is the worst Marvel movie, IMO. Eternals was boring but was at lest pretty, Thor 2 was drudgery but at least it had some decent acting, Quantumania gave me at least character interactions I enjoyed, but Love and Thunder was just an endless series of jokes that literally made me groan while an inexplicable four different Guns n Roses songs played in the background. It took Gor the God Butcher (a truly terrifying villain) and Jane Foster killing herself as Thor (one of the best comic stories of the last decade), and turned it into a battle between dad jokes and fart jokes.

It's the only MCU movie I don't think I could ever watch again.

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From 12/18:

MannishBoy wrote:

I found Kang's replacement for them:

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He's already been a Marvel variant.

And I probably wasn't a unique thinker

That and "Robert Downey Junior in blackface in Tropic Thunder" were virtually all you saw on r/marvelmemes for a week.

That’s pretty weird.

Yeah, even if a creator had been cut out or completely rewritten, you'd think Disney would keep them around to keep up appearances.

Either this is a spectacular ratf*cking, or more likely the implied dot dot dot will play out more or less like you'd expect.

Based on the rumours I am hearing, it is the dot dot dot.

X-Men '97 Episodes 1 and 2

There's one way to resolve this cliffhanger: have Morph shapeshift into... Maury Povich!

Enjoying X-Men '97 so far. I haven't rewatched the original since it originally aired, but this feels like watching that show felt when I was 15/16. It's got the action, the soap opera, everything.

Watched the first episode last night and almost drowned in the nostalgia; loved every minute of it. It's just so campy and over the top, and really just nails the vibe it was going for.

I had no idea Studio Mir was working on this (Legend of Korra). Good animation guaranteed.

Honest question: is there more to it than "here's more of the thing you loved a quarter century ago"?

Does there have to be?

hbi2k wrote:

Honest question: is there more to it than "here's more of the thing you loved a quarter century ago"?

Nope, and I don't think it wants to be. It's taking a beloved show, and, by what's been released so far, giving more of it. It's not trying to re-invent itself, just tell more stories in that universe. It's looking to be doing exactly what it's trying to do, which is great for what it is.

And it's following the pattern of the original show of adapting old X-Men storylines.

Against my better judgment, I tried to watch Madame Web last night.

Holy crap…

Complain all you like about how awful recent Marvel filmed media has been, and I’d be right there with you. But Madame Web sets a new low bar that I fervently hope will never be beaten.

The worst part is that the character and her spiderlings might have been a pretty cool mini-verse all to themselves. They could have provided a wonderful introduction to a franchise with a solid foundation of representation and respect.

Now that’ll never happen.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Honest question: is there more to it than "here's more of the thing you loved a quarter century ago"?

Nope, and I don't think it wants to be. It's taking a beloved show, and, by what's been released so far, giving more of it. It's not trying to re-invent itself, just tell more stories in that universe. It's looking to be doing exactly what it's trying to do, which is great for what it is.

I do agree but I think there's a bit more to it which I didn't expect. I actually came in somewhat dubious.

It's definitely a nostalgia bomb, but I think they've done what good video game remakes do which is capture the feeling and memory of the original without actually aping it. When I was in school those of us who liked the show were teased for being into a soap opera, which was entirely accurate, but the action and the politics were huge factors. This show has all of that, but these aspects have matured with the audience where appropriate.

To risk being reductive for effect it was a soap opera for 15 year old boys, but now (so far) it's a soap opera for 40 year old boys.

Ultimately though, there are two episodes out. It's like 40 minutes to watch, if people are curious they should just watch and form their own opinions.

Madame Web only had one scene that I liked. That was a future vision of ladies in full power. The acting was bad. The story was bad. Madame Web didn't match the comic at all. They shoehorned in spiderman references that made no sense. Then there was like only one real battle in a superhero movie.

This is one of those movies that can ruin other movies by making people not want to watch any more movies from the same company.

Stengah wrote:

Does there have to be?

Not as such, but there's been a lot of that going around recently, and I'm kinda not interested in another The Force Awakens empty nostalgia trip.

But I may also be looking for reasons not to restart my D+ subscription. Maybe I'll wait until the season is done so I can pay for a month and binge it if the word of mouth is still good.

hbi2k wrote:
Stengah wrote:

Does there have to be?

Not as such, but there's been a lot of that going around recently, and I'm kinda not interested in another The Force Awakens empty nostalgia trip.

But I may also be looking for reasons not to restart my D+ subscription. Maybe I'll wait until the season is done so I can pay for a month and binge it if the word of mouth is still good.

I think the difference is that X-Men is essentially just another season where TFA was a bit of a bait and switch that pretended to do something new, but really didn’t.

Silly question: I watched X-Men 91-96 back when I was a kid, so I don't remember anything other than the basics (for instance, I know big universal truths that are almost always true in the X-Men, but don't really remember individual plots or arcs). I tried to watch it again about 10-15 years ago back when I could get Netflix on disks, but kinda bounced off.

My question is, should I watch 97 with only my hazily remembered, probably incomplete viewing (remember, you couldn't go back and watch old ones easily) of the original, go back and watch the originals, and roll into 97 once the old ones are done, or just pass?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Silly question: I watched X-Men 91-96 back when I was a kid, so I don't remember anything other than the basics (for instance, I know big universal truths that are almost always true in the X-Men, but don't really remember individual plots or arcs). I tried to watch it again about 10-15 years ago back when I could get Netflix on disks, but kinda bounced off.

My question is, should I watch 97 with only my hazily remembered, probably incomplete viewing (remember, you couldn't go back and watch old ones easily) of the original, go back and watch the originals, and roll into 97 once the old ones are done, or just pass?

Screen Crush has got it covered.

I just watched it without going back and it established the status quo pretty clearly in the intro.

There's no alien stuff, Jean mentions being possessed by a cosmic force in passing, but it mostly just talks about the various anti-human movements, the sentinels and Xavier's fate.