Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

Don’t disregard the total lack of actor promo interviews leading up to the release. No late night shows due to WGA strike. The SAG strike was brutal too for a lot of movies. I’m glad the strike worked out for the actors & writers though!

The nail this one.

Honest Trailers | Loki Season 2

Finally saw Spider-verse on Netflix and it was fantastic. Made me want to load up my unfinished spider man game on the PS4.

Between the fact that the movies haven't been making as much, the tv shows are rather bad, and this I think we can expect a "course correction" soon.

Jonathan Majors Found Guilty of Assault, Harassment

Exit Kang, Enter Doctor Doom as the big bad?

But they have done all that important setup with the bad Quantamania, and the boring Loki season 2...

Rat Boy wrote:

And he's out.

Excellent, well done Marvel/Disney. I can't believe I'm saying that, but there you go.

Veloxi wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

And he's out.

Excellent, well done Marvel/Disney. I can't believe I'm saying that, but there you go.

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I know, I know, I just hate giving props to a multi-billion corporation, given how much I hate capitalism, but here we are.

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I found Kang's replacement for them:

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He's already been a Marvel variant.

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Maybe replacement Don Cheadle then?

I think Cheadle burned bridges when he left... Its more likely they'll try and reorganize where Kang just isn't used. The ending of Loki S2 allows that possibility

Went to London a few weeks ago, and I've typically used long flights as an opportunity to watch movies that don't particularly excite me. That's how I watched Batman V Superman and Justice League; given a choice between a bad movie and forcing open a door to plummet 20,000 feet to my death, the movie wins (though with Justice League it was close). So . . . I watched Quantumania, and, well, it was better than I expected. It was sloppy, messy, had too much going on, and wasn't good, but it was an utterly vapid enjoyable time, and I was expecting Love and Thunder levels of utter garbage.

Non-Marvel, but, being I can't sleep on airplanes, I then gave Sonic the Hedgehog a chance, and it was hilariously enjoyable, because Jim Carrey is Jim Carrey-ing harder than Jim Carrey has ever Jim Carrey-ed. His Doctor Robotnik could not have been more perfect, and, if you haven't seen it, it's worth it. Watched Sonic 2 on the way home, and, well, not vaguely as good, but Carrey was still good enough that it was worth it.

ranalin wrote:

I think Cheadle burned bridges when he left... Its more likely they'll try and reorganize where Kang just isn't used. The ending of Loki S2 allows that possibility

You mean Terrence Howard? Agreed, he won't be back. I was just making a joke.

Alternative Kang

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Twitter has been running with the bring back Terrance Howard jokes though.

Mayne the Conqueror
He Who Re-Maynes
Etc.

Stele wrote:

Twitter has been running with the bring back Terrance Howard jokes though.

Mayne the Conqueror
He Who Re-Maynes
Etc.

I actually hadn't seen any of that. Just seemed the obvious joke.

I watched 'Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania' and 'Loki' Seasons 1 and (God help me!) 2 - plus the most recent Spiderman and Doctor Strange films - and I reckon that Disney could ditch the entire Kang storyline and that few people would care.

The 'Phase 5' storyline is so full of "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey" conceits (multiverses, variants, time travel) that it is largely incomprehensible gibberish. Crucially, for me, the rules of this bit of MCU Phase 5 aren't particularly clear or firm, so I have no investment in anything I see. At any moment someone, some thing, some place or some event could 'leak' into the film or show I'm watching and send the story careening off in any direction. I doubt that I'm alone in feeling this.

When I see Jonathan Majors on screen, I have to think whether I'm watching him play Victor Timely, He Who Remains, or Kang the Conqueror... or another variant entirely. And then I realise that I don't care because all of this confusion is probably going to resolved by a dimensional door being opened. Or maybe by that dimensional door being closed. Or maybe by the dimensional door being made to not ever have existed. Or maybe by a multiverse being destroyed... You get my point.

EDIT:

I also suspect that there is a degree of MCU fatigue in this (and - with what's been happening with DC characters too - superhero fatigue). I think there are only so many World- or Universe-threatening events that an audience can take. Indeed, with the Kang storyline we've actually gone beyond the Universe, haven't we? We're now talking about threats to a multiverse!

The more I think about it, the more I like the smaller stories told in 'She Hulk' and 'Ms Marvel'.

I liked Loki season 2, I think it set up a plausible way to just ignore Kang entirely for now. The question now is if they'll do that, or just recast because they aren't ready/willing to pivot away from Kang to a new villain.

Stengah wrote:

I liked Loki season 2, I think it set up a plausible way to just ignore Kang entirely for now. The question now is if they'll do that, or just recast because they aren't ready/willing to pivot away from Kang to a new villain.

Oh, that's interesting. What do you think would be the best way to write Kang out?

Disney's dilemma with Kang is interesting, because its not just about the forthcoming film(s) and the shows that hang off it. It's also influenced by more strategic decisions that the Board and senior management are taking about content (Bob Iger has made comments about the recent prioritisation of quantity over quality) and distribution (the loss-making Disney +).

I have no idea which way they'll go.

Loki spoilers

Spoiler:

Loki is now holding together the timelines slash the threads of the multiverse. All the alternate Kangs will now exist in their individual timelines and the entire buildup of Kang was that by allowing those alternate timelines to exist, many of the alternate Kangs would inevitably figure out how to leave their timeline and fight another war to control the multiverse, but mostly the fear for us was that they'd try to take over "our" specific MCU timeline. Loki is holding the multiverse together, but it's currently unknown if he can affect what happens on any individual timeline. It'll be a bit of a cop out, but they could just say that he's spending some of his power on keeping the alternate Kangs from attacking "our" timeline, or even all of them. Or they could retask the TVA to go from pruning Variants to pruning Kangs before they leave their own timelines.

Kang is a character with countless different versions, most of which wear a full face-covering helmet most of the time. They could easily recast and not have to make any significant changes to existing plans.

Majors as He Who Remains in Loki Season1 was superb, and I thought he was quite good in Season 2 as well.

Majors as the Kang variants in Quantumania was a dialled in "Villain of the week" performance, and very confusingly told to boot. As soon as you get into sustained multi-verse scenarios, if you aren't making it very clear who is who and which reality they belong to, you're in trouble from a story-telling perspective. Spider-Man Far From Home handled this best, but then they had the circumstance of being able to use Toby Maguire and Andrew Garland. You can't do that for every scenario (although bringing Terrance Stamp back would be highly amusing)

Condensing down multi-volume comics into something spread across various movies and TV Shows that probably nobody other than you core audience is going to pay to subscribe to is where, I think, they've gone wrong with the MCU. Keeping track of all that content is something I think Feige & Disney have lost sight of - making films where the majority of the audience probably don't know what's been happening else where is a dangerous game, and something The Marvels has clearly also had issues with.

The clean break that wasn't a clean break after Endgame (which was clearly supposed to be an "end" for the majority of those characters) has just been dragging out now, with Thor in particular starting to outstaying his welcome. I also appear to be alone in thinking Loki Season 2 wasn't that bad.

The other issue is, I think, Superhero movie overload. I was hoping for something more original to start coming out (like Everything Everywhere All At Once. The Creator, although derivative, was at least it's own thing.) but the MCU just feels like it's sucking the oxygen out of Hollywood now, and nothing is able to come in and backfill unless it's coming from a steaming service most of which are still not finding the right formula in most cases.

I'm fully separating Major's performances there from him as an individual, just to be clear.

Imagine a world where, after Jedi, Lucasfilm kept trying to produce...ugh, content...for 1984 ,1985, 1986...

That's the world we're living in now.

Blech.

Stengah wrote:

Loki spoilers

Spoiler:

Loki is now holding together the timelines slash the threads of the multiverse. All the alternate Kangs will now exist in their individual timelines and the entire buildup of Kang was that by allowing those alternate timelines to exist, many of the alternate Kangs would inevitably figure out how to leave their timeline and fight another war to control the multiverse, but mostly the fear for us was that they'd try to take over "our" specific MCU timeline. Loki is holding the multiverse together, but it's currently unknown if he can affect what happens on any individual timeline. It'll be a bit of a cop out, but they could just say that he's spending some of his power on keeping the alternate Kangs from attacking "our" timeline, or even all of them. Or they could retask the TVA to go from pruning Variants to pruning Kangs before they leave their own timelines.

This... It was my understanding the S2 was rewritten to go this direction intentionally

Sorbicol wrote:

I also appear to be alone in thinking Loki Season 2 wasn't that bad.

Although it took a bit for me to get into it, and I didn't quite like how Sylvie wasn't in it as much, on the whole I really enjoyed it.

I think I would enjoy Tom Hiddleston just reading the phone book.