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I really enjoyed the first episode of She-Hulk. Tatiana Maslany is perfectly cast in the role.

Higgledy wrote:

I really enjoyed the first episode of She-Hulk. Tatiana Maslany is perfectly cast in the role.

I like the new avatar! She's a fantastic actor.

Can't wait to check it out. Been looking forward to it.

Seconded on She Hulk. The lead actress is charming, the origin story is breezily told and entertaining, and I like dealing with the idea that not everyone who gets superpowers via freak accident has a binary choice between "drop everything, put on spandex, and become a full-time superhero" and "drop everything, put on a different color of spandex, and commit crimes." I hope they don't walk that back by having her arc turn out to be becoming a superhero after all.

The fourth wall breaking was good, enough to pay homage to the comics and establish a tone, not overplayed to the point of getting annoying "lol look how meta we are." Less Deadpool and more Saved By the Bell.

Tatiana Maslany is one of those actors that makes everything incredible just by starring in it and one usually only says that about an actor after 50 years-ish of performances.

Best MCU post credits scene yet.

Every moment of that first episode was a goddamn delight. One of the things Marvel has done so consistently well is casting; Maslany, Iman Vellani, and Haylee Steinfeld have just been so perfectly cast for their roles it feels so natural.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Every moment of that first episode was a goddamn delight. One of the things Marvel has done so consistently well is casting; Maslany, Iman Vellani, and Haylee Steinfeld have just been so perfectly cast for their roles it feels so natural.

Florence Pugh

That goes back all the way to Iron Man too. Even the Netflix shows were excellently cast (minus Iron Fist, which was more of a rushed production issue than an actual casting issue, the supporting cast was still great).

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Every moment of that first episode was a goddamn delight. One of the things Marvel has done so consistently well is casting; Maslany, Iman Vellani, and Haylee Steinfeld have just been so perfectly cast for their roles it feels so natural.

+1. I was actually disappointed that the first episode ended.

I'm genuinely surprised that Tatiana Maslany isn't in the Scarlett Johansson level of international fame. She's so fantastic in everything she does she really should be.

The CGI in this show however is a shocking indictment of Disney's treatment of their VFX studios though. It's just not good. At all.

I didn't even notice the CGI.

Tatiana Maslany rules, the show is great fun, etc etc.

Sorbicol wrote:

I'm genuinely surprised that Tatiana Maslany isn't in the Scarlett Johansson level of international fame. She's so fantastic in everything she does she really should be.

Bulk of Scarlett Johansson's fame is due to her sexualization, and Maslany hasn't allowed that.

Thin_J wrote:

I didn't even notice the CGI.

Tatiana Maslany rules, the show is great fun, etc etc.

Bruce in Hulk mode seemed a lot worse than he did in Endgame. It was pretty noticable on him, particularly in the face. Jen in She-Hulk mode though looked so good that I could have sworn they were just using a different actress wearing green makeup.

I know this is cheap - and stolen from reddit - and direct comparisons aren't really fair, but really:

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IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/CpuxMvW.jpg)

Sorbicol wrote:

I know this is cheap - and stolen from reddit - and direct comparisons aren't really fair, but really:

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IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/CpuxMvW.jpg)

I'm not sure what this meme is trying to say.

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

hbi2k wrote:

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

Always easier to avoid the uncanny valley when you're in the adjacent valley and not portraying a (near) human.

I was pretty stoked for this show, and still have hope that it'll be a lot of fun, as Jen Walters is a great character.

However, the first episode was very disappointing since it took what seemed like a very promising in medias res opening and immediately reverted to a fairly trite origin story.

Less Banner, more Walters. And I say that as someone who truly enjoys both characters (but I found Bruce rather poorly handled & written in that episode). Also, I'm really torn on the breaking-the-fourth-wall moments.

They saw it worked for Deadpool and couldn't resist.

Can't remember which came out first, but they both break 4th wall in the comics all the time and primarily what made them famous. It's kinda their thing so get used to the idea.

hbi2k wrote:

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

I think it supports it quite well tbh. Just because both Multiverse of Madness and She Hulk are good films / programs doesn't mean poor CGI in this day and age is that acceptable - cretainly not with resources and profit margins Disney can operate with. Hell, even the CGI in True Lies - a film now old enough to vote - was better than some of what I saw in She Hulk.

Harsh? Yes. Also accurate. As I leant into in my earlier post, there is clearly something a bit wrong with how Disney are treating their VFX studios. It needs calling out.

Sorbicol wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

I think it supports it quite well tbh. Just because both Multiverse of Madness and She Hulk are good films / programs doesn't mean poor CGI in this day and age is that acceptable - cretainly not with resources and profit margins Disney can operate with. Hell, even the CGI in True Lies - a film now old enough to vote - was better than some of what I saw in She Hulk.

Harsh? Yes. Also accurate. As I leant into in my earlier post, there is clearly something a bit wrong with how Disney are treating their VFX studios. It needs calling out.

I thought the show wasn't that bad compared to all the press it's been getting.

Still ALL VFX shops haven't been doing well in the past 2 years due to COVID. Not all their work can be WFH. They need to be with the hardware. Pick any show that relies on it heavily at random and you'll see a mark decline over this period and random low end shots are of lesser qualities saving up for the 'money shots' near the end of seasons or movies

Sorbicol wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

I think it supports it quite well tbh. Just because both Multiverse of Madness and She Hulk are good films / programs doesn't mean poor CGI in this day and age is that acceptable - cretainly not with resources and profit margins Disney can operate with. Hell, even the CGI in True Lies - a film now old enough to vote - was better than some of what I saw in She Hulk.

Harsh? Yes. Also accurate. As I leant into in my earlier post, there is clearly something a bit wrong with how Disney are treating their VFX studios. It needs calling out.

I suspect Disney is attempting to "create a baby in one month" in order to meet their production timelines (likely with a dash of mythical man month as well).

Or "I’m a VFX Artist, and I’m Tired of Getting ‘Pixel-F–ked’ by Marvel".

ranalin wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

I think it's "trying" to say that CGI was better in films a decade ago, but I don't think it makes that point very well. The only one of those that looks kinda bad is Doctor Strange. If you're going to cherrypick examples, try to cherrypick examples that actually support your point.

I think it supports it quite well tbh. Just because both Multiverse of Madness and She Hulk are good films / programs doesn't mean poor CGI in this day and age is that acceptable - cretainly not with resources and profit margins Disney can operate with. Hell, even the CGI in True Lies - a film now old enough to vote - was better than some of what I saw in She Hulk.

Harsh? Yes. Also accurate. As I leant into in my earlier post, there is clearly something a bit wrong with how Disney are treating their VFX studios. It needs calling out.

I thought the show wasn't that bad compared to all the press it's been getting.

Still ALL VFX shops haven't been doing well in the past 2 years due to COVID. Not all their work can be WFH. They need to be with the hardware. Pick any show that relies on it heavily at random and you'll see a mark decline over this period and random low end shots are of lesser qualities saving up for the 'money shots' near the end of seasons or movies

I would also add that good CG doesn’t make the movie/show great either.

Personally, I enjoyed Dr Strange more than Avatar* and way more than not-the-first-Pirates** movie.

She-Hulk was great. I thought the CG looked terrible on the YouTube trailer, but the show looked great to me.

* While I don’t think it’s the GOAT I quite liked Avatar and don’t understand some of the hate it gets. Looking forward to the sequels.

** I like to think there’s only Pirates movie.

*shrug* I wasn't out here counting pixels, but I thought the CGI in the first episode of She-Hulk looked fine.

Agreed, below is another example of the show on the right that is not as good as the picture on the left!

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/7aGIodm.jpg)

I've read the Marvel is being cheap on CGI articles, but I wonder if there is another factor at play. There are a ton of CGI heavy shows now compared to the era of Avatar and Pirates. All of the streaming services have multiple genre shows and I wonder if there is enough CGI bandwidth on the production side for all of the shows?

Anyway, I thought She-Hulk looked fine.

Just watched the first episode of She-Hulk.

The main actress is amazing. The interactions with Bruce and The Hulk are amazing, and the post-credits scene?

BEST POST-CREDITS SCENE EVER!!!

The CGI was ok for the most part. Only time it looked iffy was the trees in their fight scene. The rest? I had no issues with it.

mudbunny wrote:

Just watched the first episode of She-Hulk.

The main actress is amazing. The interactions with Bruce and The Hulk are amazing, and the post-credits scene?

BEST POST-CREDITS SCENE EVER!!!

The CGI was ok for the most part. Only time it looked iffy was the trees in their fight scene. The rest? I had no issues with it.

exactly my thoughts on everything. The CGI never took me away from the show.