Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

Enjoyed the ending of Hawkeye. Stuck the landing for me. Loved all the trick arrows.

Well played by Kate's mother. Don't know how D'Onofrio made his left eye twitch on command during the "I quit" speech from Eleanor Bishop.

Jack was great as the energetic "hero" who had found his time. Want to see more of that.

The main thing that felt forced was the Echo storyline, but looking back, it's probably been that way all season. It was well done, it was just forced into this as a backdoor pilot. It's Disney so that's not a shock. Didn't hate, just felt crammed in. Does anybody think Kingpin's really dead? You don't squander a villain that good. Except Marvel has in the past.

Nice scene with Yelena and Clint. Not to mention the elevator scene. Florence Pugh is rocking it in the MCU.

And the watch seems to suggest that Laura Barton is Mockingbird. So Agents of Shield conflict, but I guess that's either not canon or in a different part of the multiverse. Did they ever call Bobbi Mockingbird on SHIELD?

Hawkeye is probably my favorite D+ series. Loki's probably the "best". Wandavision is good. Falcon and Winter Soldier was a bit of a mess that had some nice spots. What If? was interesting.

Sad there wasn't a "Hawkeye(s) will return in season 2". But here's hoping! Don't even have to have Clint other than on the phone on occasion. Kate and Lucky, load the car.

New idea. Yelena and Kate get an apartment and have adventures.

MannishBoy wrote:

New idea. Yelena and Kate get an apartment and have adventures.

Haven't watched the finale so skimmed your prior post, but can we put Darcy and Jimmy Woo next door?

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

New idea. Yelena and Kate get an apartment and have adventures.

Haven't watched the finale so skimmed your prior post, but can we put Darcy and Jimmy Woo next door?

Genius.

MannishBoy wrote:

Enjoyed the ending of Hawkeye. Stuck the landing for me. Loved all the trick arrows.

Well played by Kate's mother. Don't know how D'Onofrio made his left eye twitch on command during the "I quit" speech from Eleanor Bishop.

Jack was great as the energetic "hero" who had found his time. Want to see more of that.

The main thing that felt forced was the Echo storyline, but looking back, it's probably been that way all season. It was well done, it was just forced into this as a backdoor pilot. It's Disney so that's not a shock. Didn't hate, just felt crammed in. Does anybody think Kingpin's really dead? You don't squander a villain that good. Except Marvel has in the past.

Nice scene with Yelena and Clint. Not to mention the elevator scene. Florence Pugh is rocking it in the MCU.

And the watch seems to suggest that Laura Barton is Mockingbird. So Agents of Shield conflict, but I guess that's either not canon or in a different part of the multiverse. Did they ever call Bobbi Mockingbird on SHIELD?

Hawkeye is probably my favorite D+ series. Loki's probably the "best". Wandavision is good. Falcon and Winter Soldier was a bit of a mess that had some nice spots. What If? was interesting.

Sad there wasn't a "Hawkeye(s) will return in season 2". But here's hoping! Don't even have to have Clint other than on the phone on occasion. Kate and Lucky, load the car.

In the comics, kingpin survives but is blind for a while which works into further Daredevil storylines.

Overall, I loved it. Yes, probably too much going on, but don't care. This had so much more heart than the other series so far. It's ok to have a happy ending occasionally.
I was expecting for Yelena to also be at Barton's at the end. Like "Want to meet Nat's godchildren?"

lunchbox12682 wrote:

In the comics, kingpin survives but is blind for a while which works into further Daredevil storylines.

Good to know.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

I was expecting for Yelena to also be at Barton's at the end. Like "Want to meet Nat's godchildren?"

Had the same thought. Maybe she's still too dangerous to have around the kids.

MannishBoy wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

In the comics, kingpin survives but is blind for a while which works into further Daredevil storylines.

Good to know.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

I was expecting for Yelena to also be at Barton's at the end. Like "Want to meet Nat's godchildren?"

Had the same thought. Maybe she's still too dangerous to have around the kids.

As opposed to like every other person Barton has brought home?

lunchbox12682 wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

In the comics, kingpin survives but is blind for a while which works into further Daredevil storylines.

Good to know.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

I was expecting for Yelena to also be at Barton's at the end. Like "Want to meet Nat's godchildren?"

Had the same thought. Maybe she's still too dangerous to have around the kids.

As opposed to like every other person Barton has brought home?

The difference is that 5 minutes ago she was trying to kill him. And still a Widow doing assassinations. Might still want some opsec on her until she proves herself a bit more

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

New idea. Yelena and Kate get an apartment and have adventures.

Haven't watched the finale so skimmed your prior post, but can we put Darcy and Jimmy Woo next door?

Sold.

Kate Bishop feels more Tony Stark in her attitude than she does Clint Barton

Just do the full Rogers musical already, Disney. Also, I bet Disney using Rockefeller Center and letting the Comcast and NBC signage show up in Hawkeye constitutes the biggest crossover since Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

MannishBoy wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

In the comics, kingpin survives but is blind for a while which works into further Daredevil storylines.

Good to know.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

I was expecting for Yelena to also be at Barton's at the end. Like "Want to meet Nat's godchildren?"

Had the same thought. Maybe she's still too dangerous to have around the kids.

As opposed to like every other person Barton has brought home?

The difference is that 5 minutes ago she was trying to kill him. And still a Widow doing assassinations. Might still want some opsec on her until she proves herself a bit more :)

I think that it's too early for Yelena to even want to meet them. It'd feel like rubbing it in that Hawkeye gets to have a real family when she's just now starting to coming to terms with the loss of hers.

Sorbicol wrote:

They really didn’t need Kingpin in it though. The juxtaposition of how he dealt with stuff here compared to Daredevil is quite something. He really felt teleported in from a different universe altogether

Netflix's version probably would have violently killed Kate the first time he got his hands on her, rather than tossing her aside and ignoring her attacks in his attempt to get to her mother. Chalk it up to the difference between Netflix's version being TV-MA and this version being TV-14. I know my own expectations for him were based on how he was in Daredevil, and they never gave him an opportunity to establish his brutality in this, so I have to imagine that people who hadn't seen Daredevil wouldn't have found him all that intimidating.

Between Kate Bishop and Caitlyn Kiramen, I think the name "Kate/Cait" is going to become synonymous with
"the bottom in a superpower lesbian duo".

Veloxi wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

New idea. Yelena and Kate get an apartment and have adventures.

Haven't watched the finale so skimmed your prior post, but can we put Darcy and Jimmy Woo next door?

Sold.

Only if the building super is Luis.

Finished it up last night. Quite good. Probably my favorite Marvel Disney show - or tied with Loki.

I will admit I think the NYPD should protest - apparently they are completly useless. A whole building it attacked, dozens of armed men in jumpsuits rampage over Rockefeller square and no PD responded at all.'

farley3k wrote:

Finished it up last night. Quite good. Probably my favorite Marvel Disney show - or tied with Loki.

I will admit I think the NYPD should protest - apparently they are completly useless. A whole building it attacked, dozens of armed men in jumpsuits rampage over Rockefeller square and no PD responded at all.'

I had that thought and then remembered how many cops and other officials Kingpin owns in the comics. So that's my head cannon.

My boys and I enjoyed it. I liked Yelena a lot better here than in the BW movie. She and Clint together were a nice tribute to Natasha. Good buddy camaraderie throughout.

farley3k wrote:

I will admit I think the NYPD should protest - apparently they are completly useless. A whole building it attacked, dozens of armed men in jumpsuits rampage over Rockefeller square and no PD responded at all.'

I assume Kingpin paid the police off. Callback to DD.

Maybe when they heard the description of a bunch of middle-aged white guys indiscriminately rampaging they were just like “sounds like cops are already on the scene.”

farley3k wrote:

Saw No Way Home last night. It was good but I am a bit tired of Peter crying all the time. I know that seems insensitive [more words]

Yes, it does.

Saw No Way Home.

Spoiler:

Holy crap. In the running with Winter Soldier as my favorite MCU movie.

Spider-Man is about grief and survivor's guilt. That's the heart and soul of the character's story, and this film both gets that and, miraculously for a character who has had eight previous major theatrical films to explore those themes, finds something new to say about it.

I get the criticism that we all got tired of seeing Uncle Ben die and Aunt May dying is kind of more of the same, but I don't think it was. It doesn't feel like box-checking. This version of Aunt May is not just a gender-swapped Uncle Ben, but her own character. In very little screen time, her commitment to always helping people no matter how hard it is, no matter how little they seem to deserve it, shines through.

I work as a cook at a community center in a small rural community. My job is to get a hot meal to people who need it. Most of the people out here are nice normal folks. Some of them are ignorant Trumpist quasi-fascist scumbags. Doesn't matter. If they show up and they need a hot meal, they get one. There's a homeless person out here who has a little camp in the desert. He claims to be a veteran; the folks out here are always arguing about whether he really is or if it's "stolen valor," whether he's mentally ill or an alcoholic or dangerous or what. I don't care. He shows up, he gets a hot meal like everyone else.

I loved the way that Peter, supported by Aunt May, treats the "villains" not as bad guys who need to be stopped, but as mentally ill people who need to be helped.

The ending was heartbreaking and rang true. Wonderful allegorical way of depicting the way that grief can isolate you even when the people around you want nothing more than to stay connected to you and help you in any way they can.

Fantastic film.

I also loved it.

Spoiler:

Peter Parker is the superhero who is canonically not allowed to have a good social life. He is defined, in large part, by the losses he suffers. From uncle Ben, to Aunt May, to his friends and family. It is part of who he is. He resonates with a lot of people because his life is sh*t, but he sighs, picks himself up and keeps on going because he has to.

That is what happened here.

I thought it was really, really good, and echo hbi's thoughts above.

To paraphrase Aunt May "You will help them because that is who you are."

It would have been so, so much easier for Peter to just kill them all and go on. But, he can't. So he saves them and, in the end, there are sever consequences for him. We don't see that in any of the other MCU movies, except for after Civil War. But even then we don't see the consequences. They happen off screen, after the credits roll. Except for Captain America: The First Avenger.

For Peter, they happen in front of us. He loses his girlfriend, his best friend, his aunt and his entire support system.

I loved No Way Home too.

Spoiler:

I appreciated that the death of May didn't come until the end (though how dare they kill of Marisa Tomei?!) of Peter's journey as an Avenger and understanding his powers. It wasn't as cookie-cutter as Tobey/Andrew's Spidey origin story.

So now Peter doesn't have the Avengers (though maybe he does as just Spider-man), his friends, his aunt, girlfriend, Happy, the Stark suits. Him moving into that tiny apartment reminded me of the one he has in the game.

I'm excited to see where this goes for a story. I wonder if he will form his own support network with other spider-verse people. Perhaps this is when we get to see Miles, or Cindy Moon (Silk) come in. Actually, Silk would make a lot of sense given her story and how Peter is the one that opens up her self-imposed quarantine/bunker. So it would be cool to see all the ways they can expand the spider-verse.

Seeing Tom/Andrew/Tobey act off each other was a treat, and it makes me want them to have another film like that. Spider-woman/Silk/Spider-Gwen all move between dimensions to fight crime together and hang out, so I see could see Tobey/Andrew/Tom having a movie like that.

Anyway, I can't wait to see what they have next in store for Peter's story.

Also enjoyed the new Spider Man

Question about No Way Home.

Spoiler:

Did you guys think mind-wiped MJ and Ned were a couple at the end? I thought it was going that way-- figured Peter would see them kiss and that's what would make him decide they were happier without him. Then the scene went in a different direction, and I was sort of happy that it did, because the way I had expected the scene to go would have been a little cliche, and a little out of left field considering those two characters had never had any apparent romantic interest in one another.

But I just listened to the Now Playing podcast, and half of the hosts were convinced that MJ and Ned WERE supposed to be a couple. I think they're nuts; she greets him warmly and gives him a free donut, but if I were the boyfriend of everyone I snuck a freebie to when I was working fast food in high school, well, apparently I was more successful at dating back then than I thought.

What was your read?

Speaking of future Spider-People movies, rumors are going around about Sony trying to get Emma Stone back to play live action Spider-Gwen. She seems to be a bit old to have Spider-Gwen's origin, but who knows in the Spiderverse.

hbi2k wrote:

Question about No Way Home.

Spoiler:

Did you guys think mind-wiped MJ and Ned were a couple at the end? I thought it was going that way-- figured Peter would see them kiss and that's what would make him decide they were happier without him. Then the scene went in a different direction, and I was sort of happy that it did, because the way I had expected the scene to go would have been a little cliche, and a little out of left field considering of those two characters had never had any apparent romantic interest in one another.

But I just listened to the Now Playing podcast, and half of the hosts were convinced that MJ and Ned WERE supposed to be a couple. I think they're nuts; she greets him warmly and gives him a free donut, but if I were the boyfriend of everyone I snuck a freebie to when I was working fast food in high school, well, apparently I was more successful at dating back then than I thought.

What was your read?

Spoiler:

I'll admit I initially thought that was going to occur because it is such a cliché but I feel the movie makes it clear they are just friends talking about heading to college. Peter seeing the two so excited about the potential of college and the future seemed to push him to realize that if he was going to continue to help people (because that is what they do) then for now he could keep Ned and MJ safe by not being close to them.

I saw it today and I agree with hbi2k’s post. I loved it.

karmajay wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Question about No Way Home.

Spoiler:

Did you guys think mind-wiped MJ and Ned were a couple at the end? I thought it was going that way-- figured Peter would see them kiss and that's what would make him decide they were happier without him. Then the scene went in a different direction, and I was sort of happy that it did, because the way I had expected the scene to go would have been a little cliche, and a little out of left field considering of those two characters had never had any apparent romantic interest in one another.

But I just listened to the Now Playing podcast, and half of the hosts were convinced that MJ and Ned WERE supposed to be a couple. I think they're nuts; she greets him warmly and gives him a free donut, but if I were the boyfriend of everyone I snuck a freebie to when I was working fast food in high school, well, apparently I was more successful at dating back then than I thought.

What was your read?

Spoiler:

I'll admit I initially thought that was going to occur because it is such a cliché but I feel the movie makes it clear they are just friends talking about heading to college. Peter seeing the two so excited about the potential of college and the future seemed to push him to realize that if he was going to continue to help people (because that is what they do) then for now he could keep Ned and MJ safe by not being close to them.

Agreed. I thought they were going to do that then quickly realized it was just over expectations of cliches. I think that scene worked well enough overall.

Some More News released an episode from within the MCU, documenting the horrors of everyday people trying to figure out what’s going while the world falls apart as gods and robots get into fistfights.