Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

manta173 wrote:

I loved the fight choreography in Shang Chi.

Just looks so much more real than other MCU stuff and I never really thought about it until that bus scene. Liked the movie and of course the main cameo deserves his own movie, or miniseries...

Spoiler:

Can you imagine a Wong mini-series where he does a Coulson-like clean up of various issues cause by supers around the world/ universe? I would watch the hell out of that.

Yeah, the only other MCU movie that I think has decent fight choreography is Winter Soldier which is obviously a whole different style.
I would have love a Cap or Bucky vs Shang fight somehow. Why? It's comics, who cares?!? In the end, it's a draw since bad guys show up or a baby falls out of a window or something.

NathanialG wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Marvel has eight decades of characters and stories to mine.

Star Wars is like Mexican food: it's the same four ingredients arranged in different shapes.

This was f*cking brilliant. If you came up with that analogy, I salute you!

I thought it was a terrible analogy. Culturally insensitive, and ignorant of a broad spectrum of cuisine.

Okay.

NathanialG wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Marvel has eight decades of characters and stories to mine.

Star Wars is like Mexican food: it's the same four ingredients arranged in different shapes.

This was f*cking brilliant. If you came up with that analogy, I salute you!

I thought it was a terrible analogy. Culturally insensitive, and ignorant of a broad spectrum of cuisine.

Pretty sure he was talking about "Mexican food" as it exists in America, not the cuisine of Mexico. Like how "Chinese food" isn't anything like what they actually eat in China.

Stengah wrote:
NathanialG wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Marvel has eight decades of characters and stories to mine.

Star Wars is like Mexican food: it's the same four ingredients arranged in different shapes.

This was f*cking brilliant. If you came up with that analogy, I salute you!

I thought it was a terrible analogy. Culturally insensitive, and ignorant of a broad spectrum of cuisine.

Pretty sure he was talking about "Mexican food" as it exists in America, not the cuisine of Mexico. Like how "Chinese food" isn't anything like what they actually eat in China.

That's how i read it, 100%. Mexican culture and food is rich and varied. Mexican food in the midwestern US is typically tortilla, ground beef, refried beans and some sour cream, in varying proportions.

I expected to come here and see this thread swamped with comments. I couldn't resist watching the trailer, but I wish I hadn't. However, I am probably more spoiler-averse than most people.

Garth wrote:

I expected to come here and see this thread swamped with comments. I couldn't resist watching the trailer, but I wish I hadn't. However, I am probably more spoiler-averse than most people.

I feel the same. It felt like it showed way too much, something that Marvel was good at not doing for a while but has been pretty sloppy about lately.

SallyNasty wrote:
Stengah wrote:
NathanialG wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Marvel has eight decades of characters and stories to mine.

Star Wars is like Mexican food: it's the same four ingredients arranged in different shapes.

This was f*cking brilliant. If you came up with that analogy, I salute you!

I thought it was a terrible analogy. Culturally insensitive, and ignorant of a broad spectrum of cuisine.

Pretty sure he was talking about "Mexican food" as it exists in America, not the cuisine of Mexico. Like how "Chinese food" isn't anything like what they actually eat in China.

That's how i read it, 100%. Mexican culture and food is rich and varied. Mexican food in the midwestern US is typically tortilla, ground beef, refried beans and some sour cream, in varying proportions.

Or like how what is considered American food in other countries is not what is eaten here. In general, this kind of thinking requires either actual localization, or people are making assumptions that their audiences are localized and in on the joke that is the reference for context, neither of which is the case here. So it wiffs as much as it hits, I guess.

Classifying things by ethnicity or race is always chancey, be conscious of context outside your own compartmentalized frame of reference lest it come across as culturally insensitive? Using the subtle commentary on american colonization of other cuisines as an analogy for a shortcoming elsewhere doesn't read the same for people who don't live around colonized versions of that thing that you're referencing. It just reads ignorant. I.E there's not enough discernable difference between mocking the thing and doing the thing.

Oh. Hell. Yeah.

Yeah I already know I'm watching Spider-Man. I already know Strange and multiverse. Anything more is too spoilery for me. Won't click.

Good plan.

That trailer has me scared this might be like the Eternals. Too much stuff in one movie. Like the Amazing Spider-man 2.

Hope I'm wrong.

MannishBoy wrote:

That trailer has me scared this might be like the Eternals. Too much stuff in one movie. Like the Amazing Spider-man 2.

Hope I'm wrong.

Spoiler:

It does look like they repurposed the Sinister Six script that was in the works when Amazing Spider-Man 2 bombed.

They're at least hiding a couple of things (that most of us probably already know about).

slazev wrote:

They're at least hiding a couple of things (that most of us probably already know about).

Spoiler:

According to some fans on Reddit, they digitally edited out at least 2 other people in the scene at the end where they are fighting Sandman, Electro and the lizard dude.

mudbunny wrote:
slazev wrote:

They're at least hiding a couple of things (that most of us probably already know about).

Spoiler:

According to some fans on Reddit, they digitally edited out at least 2 other people in the scene at the end where they are fighting Sandman, Electro and the lizard dude.

Susan Richards!! FF are in the movie and we didn't even know it!!

It's a Marvel trailer; half of what's in there isn't in the movie anyways.

Awkwafina was the perfect casting choice for the bad influence friend.

mudbunny wrote:
slazev wrote:

They're at least hiding a couple of things (that most of us probably already know about).

Spoiler:

According to some fans on Reddit, they digitally edited out at least 2 other people in the scene at the end where they are fighting Sandman, Electro and the lizard dude.

Spoiler:

I watched a video that showed that if you zoom in and slow down The Lizard gets punched by… nothing?

Top 5 Amazing Details In Spider-Man: No Way Home Trailer 2

*spoilers

Shang Chi was awesome. Took us 2 nights to watch it, a bit long, and kids, and we're tired. But hey, still great.

And closing scene, and credits scene(s), fantastic.

More Wong is always good. He should guest star in everything.

Stele wrote:

Shang Chi was awesome. Took us 2 nights to watch it, a bit long, and kids, and we're tired. But hey, still great.

And closing scene, and credits scene(s), fantastic.

More Wong is always good. He should guest star in everything.

Loved him since Marco Polo and The Martian, he is amazing. Give me more Wong.

Hawkeye Review Embargo MEGATHREAD
*spoilers obviously.

Rotten Tomatoes: 85% from 33 review (7.60/10 avg rating)

Metacritic: 58 from 11 reviews

Bleeding Cool (9.5/10): Hawkeye offers us the Clint Barton we've been waiting for, and Kate Bishop is about to become everyone's favorite new MCU hero.

SlashFilm: Hawkeye is a refreshingly low-stakes Marvel series on Disney+ that excels on the strength of Jeremy Renner and Hailee Steinfeld’s buddy-comedy dynamic.

ComicBook.com (5/5): Hawkeye is as dark as it is hilarious. It has tones of some certain street-level Marvel characters we've seen before. But most importantly—after a year of mind-bending, time-hopping shows, it is exactly what the MCU needs right now.

Screen Rant: Hawkeye is more Kate Bishop origin story than Clint Barton solo series, but Steinfeld and Renner's dynamic makes for a delightful holiday adventure.

Variety: ‘Hawkeye’ is too wrapped up in the MCU to find its own voice

Hollywood Reporter: It's low-key vibe is precisely what makes it feel special.

Screen Rant wrote:

Hawkeye is more Kate Bishop origin story than Clint Barton solo series, but Steinfeld and Renner's dynamic makes for a delightful holiday adventure.

Screen Rant wrote:

Hawkeye Loki is more Kate Bishop Sylvie origin story than Clint Barton Loki solo series, but Steinfeld Tom Hiddleston and Renner's Owen Wilson's dynamic makes for a delightful holiday adventure.

Screen Rant wrote:

Hawkeye Black Widow is more Kate Bishop Yelena origin story than Clint Barton Natasha Romanov solo series, but Steinfeld Florence Pugh and Renner's David Harbour's dynamic makes for a delightful holiday adventure.

Funny how well that works.

Marvel: We have a formula to make good, but not great, media.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Marvel: We have a formula to make good, but not great, media.

Wow. Tough crowd.

Enjoyed the first couple of episodes of Hawkeye. Light fun so far. Pizza Dog in full effect. Eating the pizza.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Marvel: We have a formula to make good, but not great, media.

What's wrong with Marvel knowing what their audience enjoys, knows what makes them successful, and continuing that?

And, even saying that, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage (well, the first half anyways) and WandaVision many people consider great media.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Marvel: We have a formula to make good, but not great, media.

Well, it is a better formula than most movie studios use, so there's that.

FWIW I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with Marvel's formula and was just poking gentle fun at their recent trend of having their ostensible main character get upstaged in their own show / movie.

Part of that's a function of a "changing of the guard" as old characters get phased out and replaced by new heroes. The Black Widow movie, in particular, was very "ScarJo is great but she's been doing this for a while and also her character is super dead. How do y'all feel about Florence Pugh?"

Which works out, because as it happens, I like Pugh's character more in one film than ScarJo's in a dozen, although that probably has as much to do with writerly neglect of the character as the respective actresses.