Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

The land of discarded variants wasn't outside of time, it was the period before an apocalypse so large that not even HWR and the TVA could see past it. They sent everything pruned there because nothing sent there could disrupt the sacred timeline further as Alioth would consume everything. HWR's castle was hidden inside a breech being guarded by Alioth that had to be accessed from there, but wasn't there itself. It was also outside of time, even more so than the way the TVA was. Sylvie didn't send Loki back until after they'd passed that point in time that HWR couldn't see beyond, and my guess is that between that point and her sending him back, a new multiversal war happened, with a different version of HWR winning. He still created the TVA, but it's protecting a different Sacred Timeline than the one it had been, which is why Mobius doesn't remember Loki.

I've never been big into spy movies, so my eyes kind of glazed over for the first act of Black Widow. I think the movie saw me nodding, because it nudged me.

"Hey! Hey Moviegoer!"

Yeah, Movie?

"Would you pay attention to me if I did something this dumb?"

I dunno, Movie, that's pretty dumb, but show me what else you got.

"What about THIS dumb?"

That's pretty dumb, Movie. I'm starting to pick up what you're putting down.

"Oh, you thought THAT was dumb, didja? Well, what would you say if I did something THIIIIIS dumb?"

Okay, Movie. I'm sorry I doubted you. You've got my attention.

"Then hop aboard the Dumb Train, Moviegoer, because next stop is Saints Row 3 levels of dumb!"

Thank you, Movie. That's exactly the level of dumb I needed in my veins this fine summer afternoon.

zeroKFE wrote:

- I'm sold that all the goofiness inherent in what little I know of the character from comics and the idea of time travel and multiverses in general could go somewhere that's bonkers and fun (in a good way) and still retain the down to earth core humanity that is at the heart of all the best pieces of MCU story telling and character building.

Into the Spider-Verse may be the best animated film I've ever seen. So yeah, it can work.

mudbunny wrote:

Loki is the first show that has had a fairly convoluted plot. All of the other movies have very simple plots that don't require much mental gymnastics to figure out.

I disagree. The Avengers movies all had furiously convoluted plots. Here's the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia summary of Avengers: Endgame:

In 2018, twenty-three days after Thanos killed half of all life in the universe, Carol Danvers rescues Tony Stark and Nebula from deep space and they reunite with the remaining Avengers—Bruce Banner, Steve Rogers, Thor, Natasha Romanoff, and James Rhodes—and Rocket on Earth. Locating Thanos on an uninhabited planet, they plan to use the Infinity Stones to reverse his actions, but discover Thanos has already destroyed them to prevent further use. Enraged, Thor decapitates Thanos.

Five years later, in 2023, Scott Lang escapes from the Quantum Realm.[N 2] Reaching the Avengers Compound, he explains that he experienced only five hours while trapped. Theorizing the Quantum Realm allows time travel, they ask Stark to help them retrieve the Stones from the past to reverse the actions of Thanos in the present. Stark, Rocket, and Banner, who has since merged his intelligence with the Hulk's strength, build a time machine. Banner notes that altering the past does not affect their present; any changes create alternate realities. Visiting the Asgardian refugees' settlement New Asgard, in Norway, Banner and Rocket recruit an overweight and despondent Thor. In Tokyo, Romanoff recruits Clint Barton, who has become a vigilante after the death of his family.

Don't go by the Wikipedia description. Go by the actual movie as you watch it.

As you watch it, the movie is not complicated.

mudbunny wrote:

Don't go by the Wikipedia description. Go by the actual movie as you watch it.

As you watch it, the movie is not complicated.

Eh, the ending alone with Old Steve is a mess. I still love it, but let's be honest with its issues.

Oh, I am being honest. There are definitely issues with the MCU movies, but overly complicated plot does not, for me, fall under them.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

Don't go by the Wikipedia description. Go by the actual movie as you watch it.

As you watch it, the movie is not complicated.

Eh, the ending alone with Old Steve is a mess. I still love it, but let's be honest with its issues.

mudbunny wrote:

Oh, I am being honest. There are definitely issues with the MCU movies, but overly complicated plot does not, for me, fall under them.

There’s a big difference between convoluted and complicated they are not the same thing. At least, in context of an average blockbuster movie.

On an entirely different tip, there are probably a dozen reasons why it doesn't work logically, but my head canon is that the Captain America that Red Guardian fondly remembers fighting in the early 80s was Isaiah Bradley. And it would take a lot to get me to revise that.

Finally saw Black Widow. Didn’t expect much going in… and I was still disappointed. The action was bog-standard and was poorly shot with up-close shakey cam with tons of quick edits. Hated it.

The story was boring and the reveals you see coming a mile away. Taskmaster was completely wasted. Could’ve been a very interesting villain. Should’ve been the big bad the whole film.

The only thing that saved this movie was Rachel Weiss, David Harbor, and Florence Pugh.

Even then I felt like the forced family banter was really tough. Like, he put the girls into torturous slavery where they were abused. We're supposed to buy the family business at the end?

For me it was definitely a lower tier movie even though I enjoyed watching it.

Eh. Think that's fans wishing for more again.

The way he looked around, it just seemed like we passed that final point in time where he knew what was going to happen next.

Watching Endgame again, and again I am struck how, just before Cap goes back in time to return the stones, he says goodbye to Bucky, and Bucky knows that Cap is not coming back.

PaladinTom wrote:

Finally saw Black Widow. Didn’t expect much going in… and I was still disappointed. The action was bog-standard and was poorly shot with up-close shakey cam with tons of quick edits. Hated it.

The story was boring and the reveals you see coming a mile away. Taskmaster was completely wasted. Could’ve been a very interesting villain. Should’ve been the big bad the whole film.

The only thing that saved this movie was Rachel Weiss, David Harbor, and Florence Pugh.

I thought Florence Pugh's character really stole the movie. I wasn't expecting much and got the beer and pretzels movie I was expecting.

Yelena should get her own movie.

One of the big through lines of the latest batch of Marvel stuff has been setting up the next generation of heroes as the previous generation gets killed or set aside (and actors age out of their roles and/or fail to renew their contracts and move on to other things). And that's largely been fine, it's something that's going to be necessary and they've done a pretty good job setting up these successor characters as their own things and not just the Wish version of the originals.

But Florence Pugh is the first time I've 100% unambiguously preferred the new guard to the old guard. We can't get the previous Black Widow off the screen fast enough for me. Okay, cool, ScarJo's been doing this for a while and it's about time she got her own movie, but now that we've gotten that formality out of the way, I want to see what Pugh's version of the character does in the big ensemble movies that are surely coming, and I want her to get her own movie(s), and her presence makes me more interested in a Hawkeye streaming series than anything about the titular character.

The Assembled! episode for Loki is finally up and it's really great.

Veloxi wrote:

The Assembled! episode for Loki is finally up and it's really great.

Yeah, I I think it led to Emergency Awesome's video here that I found interesting:

Boy, the marketing for Shang-Chi is...not great. I am really excited for it, but I am not sure the trailers have done it many favors.

For me, it comes off as having a very "Iron Fist sucked, so let's make it more asian!!" vibe to it.

I'm more excited for this than The Eternals. Probably because I understand the pitch here.

I will give Marvel the benefit of the doubt on The Eternals. They've not really made a really bad movie yet. There are a couple I'm not as much a fan of, but they've all been watchable. And there's a pretty good cast that signed on to give us this one.

I'm interested in Shang-Chi, but it feels like a Disney+ show with what looks like a smaller cast and smaller stakes. Eternals, I'm all-in on, just because of that cast and I'm really intrigued by the visuals and weirdness of it.

Today I learned that as well as composing the great soundtrack to the Loki TV show, Natalie Holt once pelted Simon Cowell with eggs on Britain's Got Talent in 2013. So that soundtrack is only the second most awesome thing she's ever done.

As someone who had moved on after End Game, somewhat naturally, and subsequently been utterly non-pulsed by previews and pitches for Falcon & Winter Soldier, Wanda Vision, and Loki, I made it to a cinema for the ridiculously belated Black Widow. (This could've happened at the superhero peak, when a Black Widow standalone was being asked for, and so too benefited with a bolstered box office per the Avengers hysteria. See Captain Marvel for how that potential relevance worked a treat. Still, it's better late than never.)

Black Widow was strongly recommended, at least thrice over in the span of an hour, and my significant other really wanted to see it. I shrugged. Okay. I was expecting to be disappointed. Online feedback wasn't great. Except. I was not. I had a good viewing experience. (Mental note to further ignore the increasingly bizarre internet. Other than Gamers With Jobs.)

There was some great cinematography in the opening moments. I laughed at the comedic efforts. It was wonderfully cast. I was chuffed with the spy thriller elements. I liked that it went bombastic without a care in the world for any stick-in-the-mud detractors. Good times. (Apart from Taskmaster. Ugh! That character was so poorly handled.)

In relation to the other Marvel movies Black Widow ranks quite highly, at least for me. And it managed to put a new player on the screen, one which I actually cared about, who may pull me forward towards what is next. Yelena may just succeed where Falcon, Bucky, Vision, and Loki, have came up short.

Guess who won't be revived by the infinity stones or appear as a variant in the multiverse?

Scarlett Johansson Sues Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Streaming Release

Dang just came to post that.

Hopefully Disney will cave, it seems like a pretty clear case. Not sure why they didn't respond to her request to renegotiate (other than the obvious answer of "because money").

And now everyone sees why there was backlash against Warner Bros putting their entire movie slate for 2021 on HBO Max.