Marvel Media (This is the spoiler thread, Q-Stone - You're welcome)

I like that Quicksilver scene a lot, but I don't think the Nightcrawler one is actually all that well-directed. The sound design isn't that great, and the editing slices the action up into such small pieces that almost no single act unfolds across a single shot. The score doesn't compliment the action well, either; it's never used to punctuate or comment on anything on the screen. "Time in a Bottle" is a bit on-the-nose for Quicksilver's scene, but the scene unfolds at the same time and in the same ways as the music.

Singer clearly grew as a director in the time between the two films, although his most notable directorial skill continues to be his uncanny knack for making films look cheaper than they are.

I'd forgotten how good both those scenes are.

The Nightcrawler scene is choppy, but I think it's partly a consequence of the setting, and it's from before 'single take' hallway fights became a big thing that are basically expected now.

I'd say the Quicksilver scene takes it for the reasons Clocky says.

The score doesn't compliment the action well

*gasp*

Another couple notes about the Nightcrawler scene. It establishes almost nothing about his character. It is pure action (and not very good action - repetitive and as you say, lightning-cut). You see his face twice, very briefly, before he lands on the President, and even then, his motivation is ambiguous. Before that, there's a beat with secret service guys staring at the door, and no emotion whatsoever. I mean, okay, they are secret service guys. But it really only acts as a speed bump. It doesn't establish any tension, the president doesn't emote, and the only real effect is to kill the momentum of the sequence.

The Quicksilver scene, on the other hand, oozes personality. When it does cut away from the action, it does it purposefully, with Quicksilver showing concern before the pauses. The reveal of the reason for his concern hints at personality notes of his colleagues, AND it builds tension. Yet he still decides on just a little more fun before taking critical life-saving action at the last possible moment. The whole thing is brilliant. It is two minutes long, but transpires in a few seconds of real time. It not only tells a story of its own, but it contributes to the greater narrative. And it's dramatic AND funny.

p.s. Please don't get the idea that I don't like the Nightcrawler sequence. It is visually sensational, and it is a fantastic opener to the film. But it could have been so much more.

Spoiler for being a bit of a downer about a certain director:

Spoiler:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Singer clearly grew as a director in the time between the two films, although his most notable directorial skill continues to be his uncanny knack for making films look cheaper than they are.

Thanks, I needed that

But let's not forget his skill at being a sexually manipulative skunk weasel and a cronyist for other sexually manipulative skunk weasels and sex offenders! Since there is mostly negligible professional downside for either talent, Hollywood should probably start issuing awards.

For me (not familiar with the comics), Singer had some great moments (Nightcrawler in White House, Quicksilver) but none of his were great movies. First Class and Logan were both complete packages, especially Logan.

No doubt. I’d go so far as to say Logan redefined what a comic book movie could be, at a time when there were a lot of movies attempting and failing to pull that off.

BadKen wrote:

No doubt. I’d go so far as to say Logan redefined what a comic book movie could be, at a time when there were a lot of movies attempting and failing to pull that off.

f*ck yeah. 3rd highest grossing R-rated movie when it released.

I think the Nightcrawler scene was incredible for its time. Much like X-men 1 & 2 movies they were great at showing the potential of the franchise. I don't think that the Quicksilver scene would ever have happened if the Nightcrawler scene didn't exist. There had been super powered scenes before, but nothing quite like spectacle of Nightcrawler hopping around the White House kicking the sh*t out of Secret Service officers. It was both grandiose and small. Much like the superior Quicksilver scene.

Mark Kermode didn't hate New Mutants, so there's that. He also didn't think it was awesome. Just a decent, entertaining movie, which, since everyone in it has moved on, will never go anywhere.

Thanks for all the links. That was super easy to click and purchase. Well the 62 book thing was annoying. But wow, a whole 62 book series.

I got those a couple of days ago. The way I did it (which took awhile) was to just search for "Black Panther". There were 6 pages of books. Lots of confirmation emails

Black Panther was one of my favorite Marvel characters growing up, and I really want some of these, but dear god could they make it harder to get them?

Hrmph. Well, I went to the slickdeals page first and got very confused. Nimcosi's links are much more useful.

Nimcosi, you're a hero almost on the par of Black Panther.

Oh I just notice the free part. THOSE COMICS ARE FREE PEOPLE. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Oh I thought I read all the 2099 books but I missed the black panther one and now it is free.

I'm not real sure I understand how to do comics digitally but it appears I have a Comixology thing going with my Amazon Prime membership? Half the fun of comics is racing through them in hard copy form and I don't know if digital really translates that way. When I've tried reading stuff digitally on my phone, it's a giant pain.

That said, I went and grabbed (I think?) all the Ta-Nehisi Coates ones (2016-18 series).

Thanks so much for making this awesome list!

Top_Shelf wrote:

I'm not real sure I understand how to do comics digitally but it appears I have a Comixology thing going with my Amazon Prime membership? Half the fun of comics is racing through them in hard copy form and I don't know if digital really translates that way. When I've tried reading stuff digitally on my phone, it's a giant pain.

That said, I went and grabbed (I think?) all the Ta-Nehisi Coates ones (2016-18 series).

Thanks so much for making this awesome list!

Comics on a tablet are very nice. Sure, nothing compares to a real book but on a tablet its almost as good.

I mean, all the rest of my media is going digital and comics just can't seem to hit the right price-to-value for me.

If you read fast, you are literally done in 10-15min for a single comic that might have cost you what, $4?

Every other media is giving me so much content for pennies on the hour. Not even theater movies are that cost inefficient!

I want to get some old TPBs but I keep balking at spending a hundred dollars on something that I'm going to rip through in may 1 or 2 days. And then I've got to store it on a shelf?

Anyways, sorry for the derail. I'm going to try out the Black Panther books (for free!) digitally and see if I can't figure this out.

Top_Shelf wrote:

I mean, all the rest of my media is going digital and comics just can't seem to hit the right price-to-value for me.

If you read fast, you are literally done in 10-15min for a single comic that might have cost you what, $4?

Every other media is giving me so much content for pennies on the hour. Not even theater movies are that cost inefficient!

I want to get some old TPBs but I keep balking at spending a hundred dollars on something that I'm going to rip through in may 1 or 2 days. And then I've got to store it on a shelf?

Anyways, sorry for the derail. I'm going to try out the Black Panther books (for free!) digitally and see if I can't figure this out.

Marvel Unlimited or bust for me. I don't need to be up to date on comics.
I wish the comixology unlimited was as good.

Oh dear. I just discovered that Kindle on iPad has a panel-by-panel reading mode for comics. Very slick.

I also noticed that the first series of Ms Marvel introducing Kamala Khan is free for Prime subscribers. Timely since I’m having fun with her in the Avengers game.

Between those two factoids and all those free Black Panthers, I may be spending a lot of time rediscovering comics in the coming weeks.

Panel by panel is in the app for all platforms. DC app also has it.

Well, these will be the first comics I've read in... oh... about 34 years, so please forgive my ignorance.

It's cool that the reader software does that, makes a much nicer reading experience.

I was also surprised Kindle supported this now. They didn’t used to and I’ve kept purchasing through ComiXology because of this. I finally bought a graphic novel through Kindle last month and discovered this.

Ms. Marvel is a great series, and part of the really good stuff Marvel has done in recent years. I just don't care anymore about the big titles like Avengers, X-Men, and Spider-Man, but they managed to put out a lot of modern re-imaginings of characters that were great, many of which were younger legacy characters like Ms. Marvel taking over a title from older heroes. Laura Kinney in All-New Wolverine, Jane Foster's Thor (damn, does this one end well), Kate Bishop as Hawkeye, and I dug the time displaced All-New X-Men for a while. There's too many rehashes of the whole "OMG WORLD ENDIN" in the big titles, and newer heroes gave much more interesting stories and could just be goofy.

All hail Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool.

I really hate that panel-by-panel thing. It completely ruins the page composition. It's the comic book equivalent of pan and scan.

Super disagree it is one of the best things ever. Especially for people that have problems seeing small font. I got kind of sick of manually zooming in and out to read comics.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I really hate that panel-by-panel thing. It completely ruins the page composition. It's the comic book equivalent of pan and scan.

Critically, unlike pan and scan, it is optional. If you want to appreciate the Mondrian beauty of the layout, you can. It's the default view on Kindle.

If you are me, and no screen can have enough pixels, zoomed in is a nice option.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the first Avengers movie as being good. I enjoyed the hell out of that one. I was never a huge comic reader, but it felt to me that it captured their flavor pretty well.

edit: I was pretty meh about the later Avengers movies, didn't like the whole Thanos thing at all, but I thought the first one was just about perfect.

I really enjoyed the first Avengers movie. I remember feeling it was amazing when it first came out.
And I also REALLY liked Infinity Wars and Endgame. I saw Infinity like 9 times, including twice in those ridiculously small screens on an airplane.

If you’re referring to the discussion from the previous page, I was primarily talking about movies between Superman (1978) and X-Men (2000). One thing that made X-Men so powerful is that almost every comic-inspired movie produced during the previous two decades had been crap.

Avengers was also revolutionary in the way that it fulfilled the promise of the MCU. By the time Infinity War showed up, the MCU was unprecedented in its scope and ridiculous financial success.